Hi Catherine
Is not ideal. Ou could copy your subjects and try rerunning with dev (keeping edits)
Bruce



On Feb 22, 2013, at 12:14 PM, Rongxiang Tang <rongxiangtang@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Bruce,

Just want to follow up on the error issue:

It seems that using the stable version for two of the subjects will always give incomplete surface output....and if using the dev version, it seems to require updating the entire binaries to avoid the error.

I was thinking that if it is ok to use stable version for most of the subjects and use dev version for the two subjects that have problems, and finally run group analysis with the whole data set?

Thanks,
Catherine




On Feb 19, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Rongxiang Tang <rongxiangtang@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have total of 46 subjects with pre and post scans....44 subjects were OK using the stable version.

Catherine



From: Bruce Fischl <fischl@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
To: Rongxiang Tang <rongxiangtang@yahoo.com>
Cc: Nick Schmansky <nicks@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>; Zeke Kaufman <zkaufman@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] talairach transformation troubleshooting problem

oh, we had this problem briefly. Maybe the .m3z format changed? Can't
remember. How many subjects do you have?

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Rongxiang Tang wrote:

> Hi Bruce,
>
> The error is :
>
> #@# SubCort Seg Tue Feb 19 03:30:54 EST 2013
>
>  mri_ca_label -align -nobigventricles norm.mgz transforms/talairach.m3z
> /home/virtualuser/apps/freesurfer/average/RB_all_2008-03-26.gca
> aseg.auto_noCCseg.mgz
>
> MatrixAsciiReadFrom: could not scanf parms
> renormalizing sequences with structure alignment, equivalent to:
>        -renormalize
>        -renormalize_mean 0.500
>        -regularize 0.500
> not handling expanded ventricles...
> reading 1 input volumes...
> reading classifier array from
> /home/virtualuser/apps/freesurfer/average/RB_all_2008-03-26.gca...
> reading input volume from norm.mgz...
> average std[0] = 6.9
> reading transform from transforms/talairach.m3z...
> zcat transforms/talairach.m3z
> Segmentation fault
> Linux FreeSurfer 2.6.28-19-generic #66-Ubuntu SMP Sat Oct 16 17:39:04 UTC
> 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
>
> recon-all -s 1452 exited with ERRORS at Tue Feb 19 03:31:25 EST 2013
>
> Thanks,
> Catherine
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> From: Bruce Fischl <fischl@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> To: Rongxiang Tang <rongxiangtang@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Nick Schmansky <nicks@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>; Zeke Kaufman
> <zkaufman@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] talairach transformation troubleshooting problem
>
> Hi Catherine
>
> you need to tell us what the error is. The command line you specify below
> will run autorecon2 since you told it to. Try -make all instead of the rest
> and see if it works. It's supposed to only recreate what is needed.
>
> cheers
> Bruce
>
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Rongxiang Tang wrote:
>
> > Hi Nick,
> >
> > The new downloads worked, however I ran into some new problems....
> > I only replaced the three binaries and when I ran autorecon2, there is
> > always error message with mri_rmneck...so I replaced that binary with the
> > dev version and the error disappeared. But then for the subsequent steps I
> > ran into more error.
> > My guess is that I have to replace all binaries with the dev version? My
> > worry is that since there are only four subjects that need the dev version
> > to run, and the rest of the subjects were all proceesed with the stable
> > v.5.0.0...would updating all binaries to the dev version cause
> inconsistency
> > with the results?
> >
> > another question about the command line...since the recon-all was killed
> at
> > mri_rmneck...if I want to rerun the analysis right from where it was
> > stopped, how do i do that?
> > I have tried to use recon-all -rmneck -autorecon2 -autorecon3....but
> somehow
> > it just ran from the beginning of autorecon2...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Catherine
> >
> >
> >___________________________________________________________________________
> _
> > From: Nick Schmansky <nicks@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> > To: Rongxiang Tang <rongxiangtang@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: Bruce Fischl <fischl@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>; Zeke Kaufman
> > <zkaufman@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] talairach transformation troubleshooting problem
> >
> > for the virtual box ubuntu, you'll want the centos4 build (not the
> > centos4_x86_64 build, which is 64b).
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> > > Hi Bruce,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the advice. I'm running the recon-all with the new files...
> > > About updating the binaries...I'm currently using the VirtualBox Ubuntu
> > > 32b on windows to run the analysis. The version of free surfer I'm using
> > > is v5.0.0. I actually downloaded the
> > > freesurfer-Linux-centos4_x86_64-dev.tar.gz from the website, and update
> > > the 3 binaries you mentioned...however when I ran the recon-all, the
> > > terminal notifies me that these three binaries file are not executable.
> > >
> > > I was wondering if I need to update the entire binaries?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Catherine
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: Bruce Fischl <fischl@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> > > To: Rongxiang Tang <rongxiangtang@yahoo.com>
> > > Cc: Nick Schmansky <nicks@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>; Zeke Kaufman
> > > <zkaufman@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 5:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] talairach transformation troubleshooting
> problem
> > >
> > > Hi Catherine
> > >
> > > I'm not entirely sure what went wrong, but running the current dev
> > > versions of mri_em_register/mri_ca_normalize/mri_ca_register fixes the
> > > problem. I'll attach the relevant files. Put the talairach.lta and
> > > talairach.xfm in the mri/transforms dir, and the norm.mgz and
> > > aseg.auto_noCCseg.mgz in the mri dir, and try running recon-all -make
> all
> > > -s <subject name>
> > >
> > > actually the talairach.m3z is too big. Maybe the best thing to do is to
> > > update your binaries and try it with the new ones and see if that fixes
> it
> > > for you. What hardware/software env are you using? Nick or Zeke can get
> > > you the right versions. I'll filedrop the .m3z
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, Rongxiang Tang wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Bruce,
> > >>
> > >> The aseg is also problematic for several slices....I uploaded the
> > >> subject dir on the Matinos center file drop...since the
> > >> file is too big, I separated into two parts.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Catherine
> > >>
> >>>_________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > ________________________________________________
> > >> From: Bruce Fischl <fischl@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> > >> To: Rongxiang Tang <rongxiangtang@yahoo.com>
> > >> Cc: "freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu" <freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:42 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] talairach transformation troubleshooting
> > >> problem
> > >>
> > >> probably not, although it's hard to say. If you upload the whole
> subject
> > >> dir I'll take a look. How does the aseg look?
> > >> On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, Rongxiang Tang wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi Bruce,
> > >> >
> > >> > I checked the skullstrip stage using this command:
> > >> >
> > >> > tkmedit subjectid brainmask.mgz -aux T1.mgz -surfs....
> > >> > and both of the brainmask and T1 images look fine.... the wm.mgz is
> > >> problema
> > >> > tic, with some area missing..... I was wondering if I need to
> manually
> > >> adding control points to solve the pro
> > >> > blem.
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Catherine
> > >> >
> > >>>__________________________________________________________________________
> _
> > _
> > >> > From: Bruce Fischl <fischl@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> > >> > To: Rongxiang Tang <rongxiangtang@yahoo.com>
> > >> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:03 PM
> > >> > Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] talairach transformation troubleshooting
> > >> problem
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi Catherine
> > >> >
> > >> > that looks like something went wrong in the surface recon, not in the
> > >> > talairaching. Maybe a skullstrip problem? You need to investigate.
> > >> Also,
> > >> > please cc the list so that others can answer!
> > >> >
> > >> > thanks
> > >> > Bruce
> > >> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, Rongxiang Tang wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi Bruce,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I attached two images...one is the target view and the other is the
> > >> > moveable
> > >> > > view.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks,
> > >> > > Catherine
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >>>>_________________________________________________________________________
> _
> > _
> > >> > _
> > >> > > From: Bruce Fischl <fischl@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> > >> > > To: Rongxiang Tang <rongxiangtang@yahoo.com>
> > >> > > Cc: "freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu"
> > >> <freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> > >> > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:33 PM
> > >> > > Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] talairach transformation troubleshooting
> > >> problem
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hi Catherine
> > >> > >
> > >> > > can you send us an image of what you are looking at?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > thanks
> > >> > > Bruce
> > >> > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2013,
> > >> > > Rongxiang Tang wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Dear All,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > When I was checking the talairach transformation output, I
> noticed
> > >> that
> > >> > > some of the white matter was not included inside
> > >> > > > the green line. Instead of drawing the green line to include all
> > >> of the
> > >> > > white matter of the whole brain, it somehow only
> > >> > > > includes the bottom half of the white matter of the brain.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Is there a way to fix that? 
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Thanks,
> > >> > > > Catherine
> > >> > > >
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