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Hi Joe
do you know what the forward model for VIBE is? mri_ms_fitparms uses the
FLASH forward model of image formation then does a max likelihood
estimation of the T1/T2*/PD using that model. If VIBE is a different model
then it certainly won't work.
cheers
Bruce
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020, joe vanderlo wrote:
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> Dear Freesurfer community,
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> I computed T1 maps from Siemens VIBE (a spoiled 3D GRE variant; instead of
> Siemens FLASH (RF-Spoiled GRE)). I utilized mri_ms_fitparms to compute the
> T1 map (which looks ok) and compared the result to a T1 map (inline) from
> MP2RAGE.
> However, T1 values based on Siemens VIBE (FA: 4, 8, 13, 21, 34) are much
> lower than from MP2RAGE:
>
> (results from the same subject, same day/position/setup scan, same ROIs)
>
> WM/Corpus callosum: 652 ms (VIBE) vs 859 ms (MP2RAGE)
> Cerebellaer WM: 583 ms vs 834 ms
> ---
> GM/Cortex: 845 ms vs 1184 ms
> Deep/Inner GM: 780 ms vs 920 ms
> ---
> Liquor: 2222 or 3121 vs 2758 or 3652 ms
> Eye-Bulb: 112 vs 588
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> The literature suggests (mouse brain, 3T):
> Corpus callosum 1108±9
> Internal capsule 913±16
> Hippocampus 1310±15
> Cortex 1246±28
> (DOI: 10.1118/1.2968092)
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> The literature suggests (rat brain, 3T):
> WM: 1084 or 1110 ms
> GM: 1820 or 1470 ms
> (DOI: 10.1002/mrm.20605)
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> However, it appears that T1 values can be quite different (Fig. 3 from
> 10.1002/mrm.21313)
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> Therefore, I would like to ask:
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> (1) Is it to be expected that T1 values differ dependent on the method used
> at same field strength and same scanner/setup?
>
> (2) Considering that mri_ms_fitparms has not option for B1 correction, can I
> "optimize" the maps in a different manner?
> Would it make sense to run N4B on the respective VIBE scans (before map
> computation) or maybe directly on the T1 map?
>
> (3) I would assume that the application of the VIBE sequence should be
> acceptable. Are there reasons not to believe so?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
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