Yes, then use the method I described to get a label of insula
On 01/09/2014 04:42 PM, yaya ya wrote:
> I am sorry for this misunderstanding.
>
> I am now performing surface-based analysis on my data, especially on
> cortical thickness. Since when I did this analysis based on the whole
> left or right hemisphere, the results were not very good.
>
> That is why I want to limit my cortical thickness analysis / surface
> based analysis into a brain region in order to improve the power.
>
> So, my question is how to build a surface mask of a brain area (e.g.,
> left insula) to do what I want to do (performing thickness only in
> this mask rather than the whole left or right hemisphere).
>
> I hope that what I described is more clear this time.
>Depends on what you mean by a "surface mask". Usually a mask is a data
> By the way, what do you mean by "You would only use a brain mask or
> a surface mask for a volume-based analysis"? My understanding is that
> I could use a brain mask or a surface mask to do a volume-based
> analysis on the cortical or subcortical area. But I could only use
> surface mask to do cortical thickness or cortical area analysis, right?
structure with 1s were you want to analyze and 0s everywhere else. For a
surface-based analysis, you don't need a surface mask because it is all
surface.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Douglas N Greve
> <greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>
>
> I'm still not sure I understand what you are doing. Is it a
> volume-based
> analysis or a surface-based analysis? You would only use a brain
> mask or
> a surface mask for a volume-based analysis.
> doug
>
>
> On 01/09/2014 04:15 PM, yaya ya wrote:
> > Thank you very much for your patience, douglas.
> >
> > I just want to create a surface mask. What you said is use
> > mri_annotation2label to create a surface mask. Then when do
> mri_glmfit
> > analysis on the surface, I need to use the flag --label my
> surface mask.
> >
> > If my understanding is wrong, don't hesitate to tell me.
> >
> > By the way, if I want to do a volume mask, which command do I
> need to
> > use?
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Douglas N Greve
> > <greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
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> >
> >
> > Is this an analysis of volume/voxel data or surface/vertex
> data? If
> > surface, then you'll need to extract the left insula label from
> > lh.aparc.annot (use mri_annotation2label), then pass this
> label to
> > mri_glmfit with --label
> >
> > doug
> >
> >
> > On 01/09/2014 03:52 PM, yaya ya wrote:
> > > Thanks, Doug.
> > >
> > > I just searched the list to find how to generate a mask.
> Let us say
> > > the surface of the left insula.
> > >
> > > It seems that I need to use mri_mask command and the brain
> which
> > I use
> > > to get the mask should be brainmask.mgz in the fsaverage,
> right?
> > >
> > > Then I use this mask in mri_glmfit command.
> > >
> > > Any suggstions, feel free to let me know.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Douglas N Greve
> > > <greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
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> > >
> > >
> > > On 01/09/2014 02:18 PM, yaya ya wrote:
> > > > Dear Doug,
> > > >
> > > > I am sorry. It is my first time to post the message in
> > this way.
> > > I am
> > > > now used to it:)
> > > >
> > > > The results from the contrast 0 0 1 -1 did not
> survive the
> > multiple
> > > > comparision corrections. In other words, I guess that it
> > should
> > > imply
> > > > that I could try DOSS.
> > > >
> > > > If my thought is wrong, please feel free to let me know.
> > > You are correct.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, is it possible to do SVC (small volume
> > correction) using
> > > > an anatomical image from a particular brain region,
> which
> > is the
> > > > conventional way to improve statistical power?
> > > You can specify a mask for an ROI when you run mri_glmfit.
> > But that
> > > means you have to run your own simulation to do the
> correction.
> > > doug
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, again.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Douglas N Greve
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please remember to post to the list. For the 0 0
> 1 -1
> > contrast,
> > > > did any results survive multiple comparisons
> > correction? If so,
> > > > then at least the voxels in that region cannot
> be used
> > with
> > > DOSS.
> > > > I'm not sure why the patter was opposite between
> the two
> > > > contrasts. I could mean that there is a nonlinear
> > relationship
> > > > with age.
> > > >
> > > > doug
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 01/09/2014 03:54 AM, yaya ya wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Greve,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much for your response. I am
> now a
> > little
> > > more
> > > > clear, although I still have some further
> questions.
> > > >
> > > > According to your suggestion, I just tried
> to test
> > whether
> > > > there is a difference between group age. I
> > included age as a
> > > > continuous variable in qdec. After running,
> I got the
> > > results
> > > > arising from the contrast 0 0 1 -1 (which is
> > called does the
> > > > thickness-age correlation differ between two
> > groups?). That
> > > > is, the results revealed the thinner in some
> brain
> > > areas. But
> > > > when I checked the results relating to the
> > comparision of
> > > > groups (1 -1 0 0 ), the results were the same
> > expect the
> > > > opposite pattern. That is, the results became
> > thicker in the
> > > > same region.
> > > >
> > > > Does this imply that there is an age effect? It
> > means I
> > > could
> > > > not use DOSS to do analysis, right?
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Lickey
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Douglas N Greve
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> > > > On 01/08/2014 04:28 PM, yaya ya wrote:
> > > > > Dear Freesurfer experts,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a question about cortical thickness
> > > analysis using
> > > > freesurfer.
> > > > > Since I don't know how to post my
> question in
> > > freesurfer
> > > > mailing
> > > > > list, that is why I am writing to you to
> > get some
> > > help.
> > > > Hopefully, my
> > > > > email will not cause you any troubles.
> > > > Thanks for posting to the list.
> > > > >
> > > > > My question is : When I compared thickness
> > from two
> > > > groups (a
> > > > patient
> > > > > group and a healthy contrl group),
> that is say I
> > > got the
> > > > thinner
> > > > in a
> > > > > subdivision of a particular brain
> region in
> > patients
> > > > than that in
> > > > > controls. But when I added age as a
> nusiance
> > factors
> > > > (not in the
> > > > > continuous covariate because I want to
> > control for or
> > > > regress
> > > > out the
> > > > > age effect) in qdec, the results
> changed. In
> > the same
> > > > region, the
> > > > > thickness became thicker in the patients
> > than that
> > > in the
> > > > controls. I
> > > > > have no idea what happened. Which of
> them do
> > I need to
> > > > trust?
> > > > The age
> > > > > between two groups has been matched.
> > > > It depends on several things. It might
> be that
> > there
> > > is an
> > > > interaction
> > > > between group and age. Try testing for a
> > difference
> > > > between the age
> > > > slopes of the two groups. If there is no
> > difference,
> > > then
> > > > re-run using
> > > > DOSS (DOSS was removed from QDEC so
> you'll have to
> > > create
> > > > an FSGD file
> > > > and use mri_glmfit).
> > > > >
> > > > > In addition, when I do FDR correction
> on the
> > results,
> > > > the min in the
> > > > > threshold jumped to more than 5 ,
> making all the
> > > clusters
> > > > disappear. I
> > > > > think this correction is too high,
> unabling the
> > > genious
> > > > effects to
> > > > > show up. How to deal with it?
> > > > Try using a cluster correction instead
> of FDR.
> > > > doug
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > By the way, our lab's IT staffs
> install the
> > > lastest released
> > > > > freesurfer. But when I use the qdec, I
> could
> > not find
> > > > the option of
> > > > > DODS and DOSS, as discussed in the mailing
> > list. I am
> > > > wondering
> > > > if it
> > > > > has been deleted in this new version.
> > > > >
> > > > > I really appreciate your help in advance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Lickey
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > Douglas N. Greve, Ph.D.
> > > MGH-NMR Center
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> > --
> > Douglas N. Greve, Ph.D.
> > MGH-NMR Center
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> <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>
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> --
> Douglas N. Greve, Ph.D.
> MGH-NMR Center
> greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> Phone Number: 617-724-2358
> Fax: 617-726-7422
>
> Bugs: surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting
> <http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting>
> FileDrop: https://gate.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/filedrop2
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MGH-NMR Center
greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Phone Number: 617-724-2358
Fax: 617-726-7422
Bugs: surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting
FileDrop: https://gate.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/filedrop2
www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/facility/filedrop/index.html
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