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Thank you, Doug.

On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 4:06 PM Douglas N. Greve <dgreve@mgh.harvard.edu> wrote:

This is from chatgpt, which actually gave a pretty good answer this time

Why ICV is used as a covariate

  • ICV reflects head/brain size: It is established early in life and remains relatively stable in adulthood.

  • Controls for global scaling effects: If you’re comparing cortical or subcortical structures across individuals, larger heads naturally tend to have larger absolute volumes. ICV adjustment removes this confound so differences reflect local effects, not just overall size.

  • Standard practice: ICV is widely used in structural MRI studies for this purpose because it is a stable “baseline” measure.


Why cortex volume is not a good substitute

  • Not independent: Cortex volume itself is strongly influenced by disease, development, and aging. Using it as a covariate risks removing real biological signal related to the outcome you care about.

  • Collinearity problems: If your dependent variable is cortical thickness, surface area, or subcortical volume, adjusting for cortex volume introduces statistical dependencies (since they’re not independent measures). This can distort your estimates.

  • Less stable than ICV: Cortex volume can shrink over time due to atrophy or expand during development, making it unsuitable as a baseline scaling factor.


When might cortex volume be useful?

  • If your research question is specifically about relative differences among cortical subregions (e.g., “is region X disproportionately reduced relative to total cortex?”). In that case, cortex volume could serve as a denominator or scaling reference, but not a general-purpose covariate.

  • Even then, most researchers would report both absolute and relative measures, with ICV adjustment kept separate.


On 9/18/2025 5:55 PM, Alan Francis wrote:

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Hi Freesurfer group:

I have been using ICV as a covariate in all my analyses. Can CORTEX VOLUME be a better measure of covariance? If not, why?

Thanks,

Alan

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