Quick update on the GLX errors we experience with remote access of freesurfer, and qdec

The below conversations may be of interest.

-Eli

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Subject: Re: XQuartz 2.7.9 Update Inquiry
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 20:59:55 -0400
From: Magda Tsintou <magda.tsintou@gmail.com>
To: Ambrose LI <ambrose.li@gmail.com>
CC: MacQueen, Don <macqueen1@llnl.gov>, Rich Cook <wealthychef@gmail.com>, x11-users@lists.apple.com <x11-users@lists.apple.com>, Rockers, Elijah D. <edrockers@houstonmethodist.org>


Hi Ambrose, Thanks a lot for letting us know. That is very helpful. I would encourage everyone to send to the x.org mailing list so that we see if they could help us find the support we need to continue our work. I have already emailed them. Let's see how it goes. Thanks again!

Best,
Magda.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Ambrose LI <ambrose.li@gmail.com> wrote:
For anyone who need this to continue working:

I mentioned this thread on Twitter and it got picked up by the X.org Foundation. They are requesting that anyone who need IGLX to work to send email to the x.org mailing lists to let them know what you need. They have no idea that people don't even know IGLX has been deprecated, let alone people are actually still depending on it for work.

https://mobile.twitter.com/XOrgFoundation/status/733516667737628674

2016-05-25 18:59 GMT-04:00 MacQueen, Don <macqueen1@llnl.gov>:
For what it's worth, see,


-- 
Don MacQueen
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
7000 East Ave., L-627
Livermore, CA 94550
From: <x11-users-bounces+macq=llnl.gov@lists.apple.com> on behalf of Rich Cook <wealthychef@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 4:43 PM
To: Magda Tsintou <magda.tsintou@gmail.com>
Cc: "x11-users@lists.apple.com" <x11-users@lists.apple.com>, "Rockers, Elijah D." <edrockers@houstonmethodist.org>

Subject: Re: XQuartz 2.7.9 Update Inquiry

There will be a tsunami of interest in this if IGLX goes away.   This is a legitimate user need.   
-- Rich 

On May 18, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Magda Tsintou <magda.tsintou@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes indeed this will be a serious problem in my lab too. We all rely on that to work on our research projects and I think that most neuroimaging labs do the same and I am sure that there are tons of other applications I can not even think of right now. I really hope that a solution for this will come up so that there will be no problems. When I notified my lab they did not even know how to guide me on this. At least there should be some sort of awareness in the labs about that issue so that not everyone needs to figure it out alone. 

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Rich Cook <wealthychef@gmail.com> wrote:
There's nothing to transition to!   I cannot believe that XOrg thinks that nobody needs to do this, it's mind boggling to me.  It's going to be a big problem at our lab.

> On May 18, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Rockers, Elijah D. <edrockers@houstonmethodist.org> wrote:
>
> Hello again experts,
>
> Being that XQ is no longer going to support IGLX, this could interfere
> with some current application's functionality in our lab. Should I
> notify the application developers that they should consider looking to
> transition away from GLX? Or is this kind of ssh X forwarding to the mac
> not even possible without GLX (are there alternatives to GLX they could
> consider?)
>
> Apologies, even as a computer nerd, the complexity of graphics
> software/hardware remains somewhat of a mystery to me, so I'm not 100%
> sure I'm even asking the right questions here..
>
> Thanks,
>
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>> Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 21:59:06 -0700
>> From: Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu@apple.com>
>> To: César <cesarmensajes@gmail.com>
>> Cc: "x11-users@lists.apple.com" <x11-users@lists.apple.com>
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>> There was one change, but it didn't completely address the problem.
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>>> On May 17, 2016, at 21:53, César <cesarmensajes@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jeremy, was the OpenGL context clipping bug addressed in 2.7.9, or is it still pending? (I sent you a minimal working example showing the bug some time ago)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> César
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El miércoles, 18 de mayo de 2016, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu@apple.com> escribió:
>>> FWIW, there are security vulnerabilities addressed in the versions of libpng in 2.7.9, so you might want to update at least for the security reasons.
>>>
>>> The only issues that I'm aware of as regressions are the issues with IGLX (which isn't really going to be supported much longer) and a regression in the support for tcp connections (which is off by default and discouraged).
>>>
>>> --Jeremy
>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2016, at 14:39, Christopher Fick <spacecarrider@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Magda, thank you so much for your thoughts! I did notice that v2.7.9 was just released earlier this month, and bugs were one thing I wondered about. I'm pretty out of the loop on this stuff.
>>>>
>>>>  And, no I don't think I have anything to gain from an upgrade. Nothing prompted me to look into an upgrade aside from curiosity and an attempt to stay up to date. I just use XQ to run Inkscape, and so far I haven't had any issues in the little I've used it. It also appears that Inkscape is still standing at the same version (0.91) as when I initially installed it with XQ So, I will take your advice. If it ain't broken...
>>>>
>>>> Many Thanks!
>>>> Christopher
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Magda Tsintou <magda.tsintou@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Note: Sorry forgot to reply to all so that everyone can keep track of the conversation...
>>>>
>>>> Hi Christopher,
>>>>
>>>> With your OSX you would certainly not need to update. We recently were discussing some bugs in XQ 2.7.9 that have not been resolved while the version 2.7.8 works perfectly fine and I am running El Capitan 10.11.5. XQ 2.7.9 did not allow me to work with certain commands that needed forwarding over ssh and given the limited people who have been working on that fix this may cause problems for some time. I would strongly recommend from my personal experience to stick with XQ 2.7.8 if you have nothing in particular to gain from upgrading. I hope this helps a bit. Good luck!
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Magda.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Christopher Fick <spacecarrider@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi I'm running XQ 2.7.8, and I see that 2.7.9 is now available. If I check for updates through the XQ "app" it says I'm up to date with 2.7.8.
>>>>
>>>> So, if I manually download and install 2.7.9 from the website should I just install it over the previous version?
>>>>
>>>>  And on a side note, should I be able to update through 2.7.8, or is it common knowledge that it doesn't work that way since this is more of a framework (for lack of better words) rather than a normal application.
>>>>
>>>> Macbook Pro Mid 2012 15"
>>>> OSX 10.8.5
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Christopher
>>>>
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>> Cc: x11-users@lists.apple.com
>> Subject: Re: XQuartz 2.7.9 Update Inquiry
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>> I don't know what IGLX is, but GLX did not seem to work for me at all when I tried it in 2.7.9.  Specifically, I could not run glxgears on a remote linux box, which is the canonical GLX test I always use.  But the good news it that switching back to 2.7.8 was painless and made my problems with 2.7.9 go away.
>>
>>> On May 17, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu@apple.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW, there are security vulnerabilities addressed in the versions of libpng in 2.7.9, so you might want to update at least for the security reasons.
>>>
>>> The only issues that I'm aware of as regressions are the issues with IGLX (which isn't really going to be supported much longer) and a regression in the support for tcp connections (which is off by default and discouraged).
>>>
>>> --Jeremy
>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2016, at 14:39, Christopher Fick <spacecarrider@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Magda, thank you so much for your thoughts! I did notice that v2.7.9 was just released earlier this month, and bugs were one thing I wondered about. I'm pretty out of the loop on this stuff.
>>>>
>>>> And, no I don't think I have anything to gain from an upgrade. Nothing prompted me to look into an upgrade aside from curiosity and an attempt to stay up to date. I just use XQ to run Inkscape, and so far I haven't had any issues in the little I've used it. It also appears that Inkscape is still standing at the same version (0.91) as when I initially installed it with XQ So, I will take your advice. If it ain't broken...
>>>>
>>>> Many Thanks!
>>>> Christopher
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Magda Tsintou <magda.tsintou@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Note: Sorry forgot to reply to all so that everyone can keep track of the conversation...
>>>>
>>>> Hi Christopher,
>>>>
>>>> With your OSX you would certainly not need to update. We recently were discussing some bugs in XQ 2.7.9 that have not been resolved while the version 2.7.8 works perfectly fine and I am running El Capitan 10.11.5. XQ 2.7.9 did not allow me to work with certain commands that needed forwarding over ssh and given the limited people who have been working on that fix this may cause problems for some time. I would strongly recommend from my personal experience to stick with XQ 2.7.8 if you have nothing in particular to gain from upgrading. I hope this helps a bit. Good luck!
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Magda.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Christopher Fick <spacecarrider@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi I'm running XQ 2.7.8, and I see that 2.7.9 is now available. If I check for updates through the XQ "app" it says I'm up to date with 2.7.8.
>>>>
>>>> So, if I manually download and install 2.7.9 from the website should I just install it over the previous version?
>>>>
>>>> And on a side note, should I be able to update through 2.7.8, or is it common knowledge that it doesn't work that way since this is more of a framework (for lack of better words) rather than a normal application.
>>>>
>>>> Macbook Pro Mid 2012 15"
>>>> OSX 10.8.5
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Christopher
>>>>
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>> Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 22:38:13 -0700
>> From: Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu@apple.com>
>> To: Richard Cook <wealthychef@gmail.com>
>> Cc: x11-users@lists.apple.com
>> Subject: Re: XQuartz 2.7.9 Update Inquiry
>> Message-ID: <6C53050F-0731-4FBB-B83C-E02B54AA3F08@apple.com>
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>>
>>> On May 17, 2016, at 22:18, Richard Cook <wealthychef@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know what IGLX is, but GLX did not seem to work for me at all when I tried it in 2.7.9.  Specifically, I could not run glxgears on a remote linux box, which is the canonical GLX test I always use.
>> That is IGLX.
>>
>>>  But the good news it that switching back to 2.7.8 was painless and made my problems with 2.7.9 go away.
>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu@apple.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, there are security vulnerabilities addressed in the versions of libpng in 2.7.9, so you might want to update at least for the security reasons.
>>>>
>>>> The only issues that I'm aware of as regressions are the issues with IGLX (which isn't really going to be supported much longer) and a regression in the support for tcp connections (which is off by default and discouraged).
>>>>
>>>> --Jeremy
>>>>
>>>>> On May 17, 2016, at 14:39, Christopher Fick <spacecarrider@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Magda, thank you so much for your thoughts! I did notice that v2.7.9 was just released earlier this month, and bugs were one thing I wondered about. I'm pretty out of the loop on this stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, no I don't think I have anything to gain from an upgrade. Nothing prompted me to look into an upgrade aside from curiosity and an attempt to stay up to date. I just use XQ to run Inkscape, and so far I haven't had any issues in the little I've used it. It also appears that Inkscape is still standing at the same version (0.91) as when I initially installed it with XQ So, I will take your advice. If it ain't broken...
>>>>>
>>>>> Many Thanks!
>>>>> Christopher
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Magda Tsintou <magda.tsintou@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Note: Sorry forgot to reply to all so that everyone can keep track of the conversation...
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Christopher,
>>>>>
>>>>> With your OSX you would certainly not need to update. We recently were discussing some bugs in XQ 2.7.9 that have not been resolved while the version 2.7.8 works perfectly fine and I am running El Capitan 10.11.5. XQ 2.7.9 did not allow me to work with certain commands that needed forwarding over ssh and given the limited people who have been working on that fix this may cause problems for some time. I would strongly recommend from my personal experience to stick with XQ 2.7.8 if you have nothing in particular to gain from upgrading. I hope this helps a bit. Good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Magda.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Christopher Fick <spacecarrider@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi I'm running XQ 2.7.8, and I see that 2.7.9 is now available. If I check for updates through the XQ "app" it says I'm up to date with 2.7.8.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, if I manually download and install 2.7.9 from the website should I just install it over the previous version?
>>>>>
>>>>> And on a side note, should I be able to update through 2.7.8, or is it common knowledge that it doesn't work that way since this is more of a framework (for lack of better words) rather than a normal application.
>>>>>
>>>>> Macbook Pro Mid 2012 15"
>>>>> OSX 10.8.5
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Christopher
>>>>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 22:42:44 -0700
>> From: Rich Cook <wealthychef@gmail.com>
>> To: Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu@apple.com>
>> Cc: x11-users@lists.apple.com
>> Subject: Re: XQuartz 2.7.9 Update Inquiry
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>> Hmm, what is going to replace IGLX?   How are people going to display OpenGL graphics over remote X11 if not by GLX?  Sorry if this is offtopic.
>>
>>> On May 17, 2016, at 10:38 PM, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu@apple.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2016, at 22:18, Richard Cook <wealthychef@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what IGLX is, but GLX did not seem to work for me at all when I tried it in 2.7.9.  Specifically, I could not run glxgears on a remote linux box, which is the canonical GLX test I always use.
>>> That is IGLX.
>>>
>>>> But the good news it that switching back to 2.7.8 was painless and made my problems with 2.7.9 go away.
>>>>
>>>>> On May 17, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu@apple.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW, there are security vulnerabilities addressed in the versions of libpng in 2.7.9, so you might want to update at least for the security reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only issues that I'm aware of as regressions are the issues with IGLX (which isn't really going to be supported much longer) and a regression in the support for tcp connections (which is off by default and discouraged).
>>>>>
>>>>> --Jeremy
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 17, 2016, at 14:39, Christopher Fick <spacecarrider@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Magda, thank you so much for your thoughts! I did notice that v2.7.9 was just released earlier this month, and bugs were one thing I wondered about. I'm pretty out of the loop on this stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, no I don't think I have anything to gain from an upgrade. Nothing prompted me to look into an upgrade aside from curiosity and an attempt to stay up to date. I just use XQ to run Inkscape, and so far I haven't had any issues in the little I've used it. It also appears that Inkscape is still standing at the same version (0.91) as when I initially installed it with XQ So, I will take your advice. If it ain't broken...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many Thanks!
>>>>>> Christopher
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Magda Tsintou <magda.tsintou@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Note: Sorry forgot to reply to all so that everyone can keep track of the conversation...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Christopher,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With your OSX you would certainly not need to update. We recently were discussing some bugs in XQ 2.7.9 that have not been resolved while the version 2.7.8 works perfectly fine and I am running El Capitan 10.11.5. XQ 2.7.9 did not allow me to work with certain commands that needed forwarding over ssh and given the limited people who have been working on that fix this may cause problems for some time. I would strongly recommend from my personal experience to stick with XQ 2.7.8 if you have nothing in particular to gain from upgrading. I hope this helps a bit. Good luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Magda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Christopher Fick <spacecarrider@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi I'm running XQ 2.7.8, and I see that 2.7.9 is now available. If I check for updates through the XQ "app" it says I'm up to date with 2.7.8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, if I manually download and install 2.7.9 from the website should I just install it over the previous version?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And on a side note, should I be able to update through 2.7.8, or is it common knowledge that it doesn't work that way since this is more of a framework (for lack of better words) rather than a normal application.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Macbook Pro Mid 2012 15"
>>>>>> OSX 10.8.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Christopher
>>>>>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 15:56:13 +1000
>> From: James Gunning <James.Gunning@csiro.au>
>> To: Rich Cook <wealthychef@gmail.com>,       Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia
>>      <jeremyhu@apple.com>
>> Cc: x11-users@lists.apple.com
>> Subject: Re: XQuartz 2.7.9 Update Inquiry
>> Message-ID: <573C03FD.8080509@csiro.au>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>>
>> Hi Rich, Jeremy, all,
>>                 Yes, I think a lot of us care about this a deal.
>> Any news welcome.
>> James.
>>
>>
>> Rich Cook wrote:
>>> Hmm, what is going to replace IGLX?   How are people going to display OpenGL graphics over remote X11 if not by GLX?  Sorry if this is offtopic.
>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2016, at 10:38 PM, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu@apple.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 17, 2016, at 22:18, Richard Cook <wealthychef@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what IGLX is, but GLX did not seem to work for me at all when I tried it in 2.7.9.  Specifically, I could not run glxgears on a remote linux box, which is the canonical GLX test I always use.
>>>> That is IGLX.
>>>>
>>>>> But the good news it that switching back to 2.7.8 was painless and made my problems with 2.7.9 go away.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 17, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu@apple.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW, there are security vulnerabilities addressed in the versions of libpng in 2.7.9, so you might want to update at least for the security reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only issues that I'm aware of as regressions are the issues with IGLX (which isn't really going to be supported much longer) and a regression in the support for tcp connections (which is off by default and discouraged).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Jeremy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 17, 2016, at 14:39, Christopher Fick <spacecarrider@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Magda, thank you so much for your thoughts! I did notice that v2.7.9 was just released earlier this month, and bugs were one thing I wondered about. I'm pretty out of the loop on this stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, no I don't think I have anything to gain from an upgrade. Nothing prompted me to look into an upgrade aside from curiosity and an attempt to stay up to date. I just use XQ to run Inkscape, and so far I haven't had any issues in the little I've used it. It also appears that Inkscape is still standing at the same version (0.91) as when I initially installed it with XQ So, I will take your advice. If it ain't broken...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many Thanks!
>>>>>>> Christopher
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Magda Tsintou <magda.tsintou@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Note: Sorry forgot to reply to all so that everyone can keep track of the conversation...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Christopher,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With your OSX you would certainly not need to update. We recently were discussing some bugs in XQ 2.7.9 that have not been resolved while the version 2.7.8 works perfectly fine and I am running El Capitan 10.11.5. XQ 2.7.9 did not allow me to work with certain commands that needed forwarding over ssh and given the limited people who have been working on that fix this may cause problems for some time. I would strongly recommend from my personal experience to stick with XQ 2.7.8 if you have nothing in particular to gain from upgrading. I hope this helps a bit. Good luck!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Magda.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Christopher Fick <spacecarrider@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi I'm running XQ 2.7.8, and I see that 2.7.9 is now available. If I check for updates through the XQ "app" it says I'm up to date with 2.7.8.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, if I manually download and install 2.7.9 from the website should I just install it over the previous version?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And on a side note, should I be able to update through 2.7.8, or is it common knowledge that it doesn't work that way since this is more of a framework (for lack of better words) rather than a normal application.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Macbook Pro Mid 2012 15"
>>>>>>> OSX 10.8.5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> Christopher
>>>>>>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 07:59:37 +0200
>> From: César <cesarmensajes@gmail.com>
>> To: Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu@apple.com>
>> Cc: "x11-users@lists.apple.com" <x11-users@lists.apple.com>
>> Subject: Re: XQuartz 2.7.9 Update Inquiry
>> Message-ID:
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>> Ok, thanks a lot, I look forward to the final fix (it's not a critical bug,
>> but it does make my apps look like if they were broken -they run fine, but
>> their UI looks broken)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> César
>>
>>
>>
>> El miércoles, 18 de mayo de 2016, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <
>> jeremyhu@apple.com> escribió:
>>
>>> There was one change, but it didn't completely address the problem.
>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2016, at 21:53, César <cesarmensajes@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Jeremy, was the OpenGL context clipping bug addressed in 2.7.9, or is it
>>> still pending? (I sent you a minimal working example showing the bug some
>>> time ago)
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> César
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El miércoles, 18 de mayo de 2016, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <
>>> jeremyhu@apple.com <javascript:;>> escribió:
>>>> FWIW, there are security vulnerabilities addressed in the versions of
>>> libpng in 2.7.9, so you might want to update at least for the security
>>> reasons.
>>>> The only issues that I'm aware of as regressions are the issues with
>>> IGLX (which isn't really going to be supported much longer) and a
>>> regression in the support for tcp connections (which is off by default and
>>> discouraged).
>>>> --Jeremy
>>>>
>>>>> On May 17, 2016, at 14:39, Christopher Fick <spacecarrider@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>> Magda, thank you so much for your thoughts! I did notice that v2.7.9
>>> was just released earlier this month, and bugs were one thing I wondered
>>> about. I'm pretty out of the loop on this stuff.
>>>>>  And, no I don't think I have anything to gain from an upgrade.
>>> Nothing prompted me to look into an upgrade aside from curiosity and an
>>> attempt to stay up to date. I just use XQ to run Inkscape, and so far I
>>> haven't had any issues in the little I've used it. It also appears that
>>> Inkscape is still standing at the same version (0.91) as when I initially
>>> installed it with XQ So, I will take your advice. If it ain't broken...
>>>>> Many Thanks!
>>>>> Christopher
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Magda Tsintou <
>>> magda.tsintou@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>> Note: Sorry forgot to reply to all so that everyone can keep track of
>>> the conversation...
>>>>> Hi Christopher,
>>>>>
>>>>> With your OSX you would certainly not need to update. We recently were
>>> discussing some bugs in XQ 2.7.9 that have not been resolved while the
>>> version 2.7.8 works perfectly fine and I am running El Capitan 10.11.5. XQ
>>> 2.7.9 did not allow me to work with certain commands that needed forwarding
>>> over ssh and given the limited people who have been working on that fix
>>> this may cause problems for some time. I would strongly recommend from my
>>> personal experience to stick with XQ 2.7.8 if you have nothing in
>>> particular to gain from upgrading. I hope this helps a bit. Good luck!
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Magda.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Christopher Fick <
>>> spacecarrider@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi I'm running XQ 2.7.8, and I see that 2.7.9 is now available. If I
>>> check for updates through the XQ "app" it says I'm up to date with 2.7.8.
>>>>> So, if I manually download and install 2.7.9 from the website should I
>>> just install it over the previous version?
>>>>>  And on a side note, should I be able to update through 2.7.8, or is
>>> it common knowledge that it doesn't work that way since this is more of a
>>> framework (for lack of better words) rather than a normal application.
>>>>> Macbook Pro Mid 2012 15"
>>>>> OSX 10.8.5
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Christopher
>>>>>
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