[Mne_analysis] No Isotrak data found in (raw .fif file)

Stephen Politzer-Ahles politzerahless at gmail.com
Mon Mar 12 14:58:15 EDT 2012
Search archives:

Thanks for the suggestions, Dan and Manfred. I have not used MNE's MATLAB
toolbox or mne-python before (when I tried this weekend, I got problems
with the channel list in mne_ex_read_write_raw in MATLAB, and I won't be
able to get mne-python installed until my sysadmin can give me a hand
within installing Numpy and Scipy), but if I'm not able to solve the
problem using Alexandre's suggestion about mne_do_forward_solution then I
will continue working on those other solutions and let you know if I run
into further difficulties.

Thanks again,
Steve

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Manfred G Kitzbichler <
manfredg at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> wrote:

> Hi Stephen, Dan et al.
>
>
> On 03/09/2012 03:12 PM, dgw wrote:
>
>> This is also possible with the MATLAB toolbox. Read both files into
>> MATLAB, copy the relevant transformation data and write the formerly
>> deficient file. see mne_ex_read_write_raw, for help with the basics.
>>
>> If you are of the Python persuasion, I suspect there is support for that
>> too (Martin Alex?)
>>
>> D
>>
>
> As for that last suggestion, that's exactly what I am doing with my data
> which has the same problem - maxfilter for some reason strips the isotrak
> data from the files. So I put it back in with mne-python simply using the
> commands:
>
> raw=mne.fiff.Raw(fn)
> r2=mne.fiff.Raw(fn2)
> r2.info['dig']=raw.info['dig']
> r2.save(fn3)
>
> where fn[123] are the input and output filenames respectively.
>
> Good luck,
>
>        Manfred
>
>
>
>
>
>> Stephen Politzer-Ahles wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jon,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately I don't have Neuromag here; my
>>> data are from CTF.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Jon Houck<jhouck at unm.edu
>>> <mailto:jhouck at unm.edu>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Steve,
>>>
>>>     If the Neuromag software is available, you can use the utility
>>>     copy_trans_fiff to copy the head transformation from the good file
>>>     onto the bad file.
>>>
>>>     Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Stephen Politzer-Ahles
>>>     <politzerahless at gmail.com<**mailto:politzerahless at gmail.**com<politzerahless at gmail.com>>>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>         Donald and Alexandre,
>>>
>>>         Thanks for the suggestions. I was indeed able to find another
>>>         run of this same participant that still has the digitization
>>>         data. I imported the raw data into MNE and then used that,
>>>         rather than my original .fif file, for loading digitization
>>>         points when I did co-registration; then I saved the
>>>         co-registration, renamed it so that it matched what it would
>>>         have been if I used the original file (subj006_raw-trans.fif),
>>>         and then tried doing forward and inverse solutions. At
>>>         mne_setup_forward_solution I got the following error:
>>>
>>>         MEG ->  head coordinate transformation not found
>>>
>>>         I haven't gotten that error with other subjects so I assume it
>>>         must have something to do with my messing around with the
>>>         filenames? I tried changing the filenames at several different
>>>         stages but still keep getting the error. Is there a better way
>>>         to do this? (For instance, Alexandre, if I understand your
>>>         suggestion right, should I be adding the digitization points
>>>         from the good .fif file directly into the bad _raw.fif file and
>>>         then using that one to load digitization data when I do
>>>         coregistration?)
>>>
>>>         Thanks again,
>>>         Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Alexandre Gramfort
>>>         <gramfort at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>>         <mailto:gramfort at nmr.mgh.**harvard.edu<gramfort at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>             Hi Stephen,
>>>
>>>             if you have the digitization points in one of the fif files
>>>             for this
>>>             particular subject than we can add them to a raw file or you
>>>             can load
>>>             them directly in mne_analyze. Otherwise I'm afraid you'll
>>>             have to  do
>>>             the coregistration only using the 3 fiducials which is fairly
>>>             imprecise.
>>>
>>>             Alex
>>>
>>>             On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Stephen Politzer-Ahles
>>>             <politzerahless at gmail.com<**mailto:politzerahless at gmail.**
>>> com <politzerahless at gmail.com>>>
>>>             wrote:
>>>              >  Hi Donald,
>>>              >
>>>              >  Thanks for the suggestion. I was able to do this using
>>>             mne_show_fiff and
>>>              >  there are indeed differences in the tags. I've attached
>>>             text copies of the
>>>              >  output of mne_show_fiff for the subject I'm getting the
>>>             error for (subj006)
>>>              >  and a good one (subj023). The difference seems to be that
>>>             the bad subject's
>>>              >  fiff is missing these tags that are present in other
>>>             subjects' files:
>>>              >
>>>              >         104 = {    107 = isotrak
>>>              >            213 = dig. point [5]
>>>              >         105 = }    107 = isotrak
>>>              >         104 = {    109 = HPI result
>>>              >            213 = dig. point [3]
>>>              >            222 = transform [2]
>>>              >         105 = }    109 = HPI result
>>>              >
>>>              >  Is there a way to add these tags into the .fif file for
>>>             that subject? I
>>>              >  don't know why they're missing (but I have e-mailed the
>>>             person who runs our
>>>              >  MEG machine to see if she can tell).
>>>              >
>>>              >  Thanks again,
>>>              >  Steve
>>>              >
>>>              >
>>>              >  On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Krieger, Donald N.
>>>             <kriegerd at upmc.edu<mailto:krie**gerd at upmc.edu<kriegerd at upmc.edu>
>>> >>
>>>              >  wrote:
>>>              >>
>>>              >>  Hi Steve,
>>>              >>
>>>              >>  You might just look at the tags in the file using the
>>>             Elekta tool:
>>>              >>  show_fiff .  There's probably an mne or mne matlab
>>>             toolbox tool which
>>>              >>  enables this too.
>>>              >>
>>>              >>  Don
>>>              >>
>>>              >>  Don Krieger, Ph.D., D.ABNM
>>>              >>  Department of Neurological Surgery
>>>              >>  University of Pittsburgh
>>>              >>  (412)648-9654<tel:%28412%29648-9654>
>>>              >>  ______________________________**__
>>>              >>  From: mne_analysis-bounces at nmr.mgh.**harvard.edu<mne_analysis-bounces at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>>             <mailto:mne_analysis-bounces@**nmr.mgh.harvard.edu<mne_analysis-bounces at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> >
>>>              >>  [mne_analysis-bounces at nmr.mgh.**harvard.edu<mne_analysis-bounces at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>>             <mailto:mne_analysis-bounces@**nmr.mgh.harvard.edu<mne_analysis-bounces at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>]
>>> on behalf
>>>             of Stephen
>>>              >>  Politzer-Ahles [politzerahless at gmail.com
>>>             <mailto:politzerahless at gmail.**com<politzerahless at gmail.com>
>>> >]
>>>              >>  Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 3:51 PM
>>>              >>  To: mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.**edu<mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>>             <mailto:mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.**harvard.edu<mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> >
>>>              >>  Subject: [Mne_analysis] No Isotrak data found in (raw
>>>             .fif file)
>>>              >>
>>>              >>  Hello MNEers,
>>>              >>
>>>              >>  While doing MRI-MEG co-registration, for one particular
>>>             subject when I
>>>              >>  open mne_analyze and try to Load Digitizer Data from the
>>>             raw .fif file, I
>>>              >>  get this error:
>>>              >>
>>>              >>  No Isotrak data found in (the name of the .fif file)
>>>              >>
>>>              >>  I haven't gotten this error for any of my other
>>>             subjects, and I processed
>>>              >>  them all the same way using a batch. Just now I tried
>>>             re-doing some of the
>>>              >>  processing for this subject (epoching, artifact
>>>             rejection, and filtering had
>>>              >>  already been done in CTF, but I redid the import to
>>>             .fif, averaging, and
>>>              >>  noise covariance matrix), and still got the same
>>> problem.
>>>              >>
>>>              >>  Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this
>>>             error and how to fix
>>>              >>  it?
>>>              >>
>>>              >>  Best,
>>>              >>  Steve Politzer-Ahles
>>>              >>
>>>              >>  --
>>>              >>  Stephen Politzer-Ahles
>>>              >>  University of Kansas
>>>              >>  Linguistics Department
>>>              >>  http://www.linguistics.ku.edu/
>>>              >>
>>>              >>  ______________________________**_________________
>>>              >>  Mne_analysis mailing list
>>>              >>  Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.**edu<Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>>             <mailto:Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.**harvard.edu<Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> >
>>>              >>
>>>             https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.**edu/mailman/listinfo/mne_**
>>> analysis<https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/mne_analysis>
>>>              >>
>>>              >>
>>>              >>  The information in this e-mail is intended only for the
>>>             person to whom it
>>>              >>  is
>>>              >>  addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in
>>>             error and the
>>>              >>  e-mail
>>>              >>  contains patient information, please contact the
>>>             Partners Compliance
>>>              >>  HelpLine at
>>>              >>  http://www.partners.org/**complianceline<http://www.partners.org/complianceline>. If the e-mail
>>>             was sent to you in
>>>              >>  error
>>>              >>  but does not contain patient information, please contact
>>>             the sender and
>>>              >>  properly
>>>              >>  dispose of the e-mail.
>>>              >>
>>>              >
>>>              >
>>>              >
>>>              >  --
>>>              >  Stephen Politzer-Ahles
>>>              >  University of Kansas
>>>              >  Linguistics Department
>>>              >  http://www.linguistics.ku.edu/
>>>              >
>>>              >  ______________________________**_________________
>>>              >  Mne_analysis mailing list
>>>              >  Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.**edu<Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>>             <mailto:Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.**harvard.edu<Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> >
>>>              >
>>>             https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.**edu/mailman/listinfo/mne_**
>>> analysis<https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/mne_analysis>
>>>              >
>>>              >
>>>              >  The information in this e-mail is intended only for the
>>>             person to whom it is
>>>              >  addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in
>>>             error and the
>>>              >  e-mail
>>>              >  contains patient information, please contact the Partners
>>>             Compliance
>>>              >  HelpLine at
>>>              >  http://www.partners.org/**complianceline<http://www.partners.org/complianceline>. If the e-mail
>>>             was sent to you in
>>>              >  error
>>>              >  but does not contain patient information, please contact
>>>             the sender and
>>>              >  properly
>>>              >  dispose of the e-mail.
>>>              >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         --          Stephen Politzer-Ahles
>>>         University of Kansas
>>>         Linguistics Department
>>>         http://www.linguistics.ku.edu/
>>>
>>>         ______________________________**_________________
>>>         Mne_analysis mailing list
>>>         Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.**edu<Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>>         <mailto:Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.**harvard.edu<Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> >
>>>         https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.**edu/mailman/listinfo/mne_**
>>> analysis<https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/mne_analysis>
>>>
>>>
>>>         The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person
>>>         to whom it is
>>>         addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error
>>>         and the e-mail
>>>         contains patient information, please contact the Partners
>>>         Compliance HelpLine at
>>>         http://www.partners.org/**complianceline<http://www.partners.org/complianceline>. If the e-mail was sent
>>>         to you in error
>>>         but does not contain patient information, please contact the
>>>         sender and properly
>>>         dispose of the e-mail.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stephen Politzer-Ahles
>>> University of Kansas
>>> Linguistics Department
>>> http://www.linguistics.ku.edu/
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
>>> ------------
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> Mne_analysis mailing list
>>> Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.**edu <Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.**edu/mailman/listinfo/mne_**analysis<https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/mne_analysis>
>>>
>>>
>>> The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom
>>> it is
>>> addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the
>>> e-mail
>>> contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance
>>> HelpLine at
>>> http://www.partners.org/**complianceline<http://www.partners.org/complianceline>. If the e-mail was sent to you in error
>>> but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and
>>> properly
>>> dispose of the e-mail.
>>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> Mne_analysis mailing list
>> Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.**edu <Mne_analysis at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>> https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.**edu/mailman/listinfo/mne_**analysis<https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/mne_analysis>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Manfred G. Kitzbichler
> Martinos Center for Biomedical Imaging
> Dept of Neurology, Mass General Hospital
> 149 Thirteenth Street, Rm 10.018
> Charlestown, MA 02129, USA
>
>
>


-- 
Stephen Politzer-Ahles
University of Kansas
Linguistics Department
http://www.linguistics.ku.edu/
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/pipermail/mne_analysis/attachments/20120312/9c89a0df/attachment.html 


More information about the Mne_analysis mailing list