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Filipping issue
by Paola Valsasina 13 Feb '14

13 Feb '14

Dear List, we are starting the analysis of cortical thickness for a group of patients who have only one side affected. The majority of patients have the left hemisphere affected, but some patients have the right hemisphere affected. In order to do a group analysis, we would like to flip the images of some patients, so that the affected side is left for all subjects. Which is the best way to do this: 1) flip the 001.mgz volume and perform the entire recon-all pipeline with flipped images; or 2) perform the recon-all pipeline with the non-flipped volumes and flip only the final surfaces for statistical purposes? Thank you for any suggestion Kind regards Paola

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possible to see an example of phase map input for tracula?
by Salil Soman 13 Feb '14

13 Feb '14

Hi, Could someone point me to an example for a sample phase map that tracula can take as input? We do not have a specific sequence for this on our GE system but may be able to output it from some of our 3D GRE sequences. Best wishes, -- Salil Soman, MD, MS Postdoctoral Research Fellow - Stanford Radiological Sciences Laboratory Fellow - Palo Alto War Related Illness and Injury Study Center WOC Neuroradiology Attending - Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System

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reconstruction error
by Boadu, Osei B 13 Feb '14

13 Feb '14

Hello all, I am trying to do a reconstruction but I keep getting the following error (taken from recon-all.log): ERROR: talairach_afd: Talairach Transform: transforms/talairach.xfm ***FAILED*** (p=0.0000, pval=0.0000 < threshold=0.0050) Manual Talairach alignment may be necessary, or include the -notal-check flag to skip this test, making sure the -notal-check flag follows -all or -autorecon1 in the command string. Any help would be greatly appreciated and I attached the entire error log. Thank you! Osei The command line executed was: recon-all -all -subjid LCS13 Here is more pertinent information: FREESURFER_HOME: /usr/local/freesurfer/stable5_3_0 Build stamp: freesurfer-Linux-centos6_x86_64-stable-v5.3.0-20130514 RedHat release: CentOS release 6.5 (Final) Kernel info: Linux 2.6.32-431.1.2.0.1.el6.x86_64 x86_64 NMR Center info (/space/freesurfer exists): machine: huygens SUBJECTS_DIR: /local_mount/space/huygens/1/users/Osei/KristofDavid/MRI PWD: /homes/1/oboadu ssh huygens setenv SUBJECTS_DIR /local_mount/space/huygens/1/users/Osei/KristofDavid/MRI cd /homes/1/oboadu

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Re: [Freesurfer] {Filename?} Re: Re: recon-all CTABreadASCII error
by charujing123 13 Feb '14

13 Feb '14

Hi Bruce, I did try, but I am so sorry that size of the attachment is too big to send in the mail list. All the best. Rujing Zha 2014-02-13 charujing123 发件人：Bruce Fischl <fischl(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> 发送时间：2014-02-13 22:00 主题：Re: {Filename?} Re: Re: [Freesurfer] recon-all CTABreadASCII error 收件人："charujing123"<charujing123(a)163.com> 抄送： Hi Rujing can you cc the list so that others can help? thanks Bruce On Thu, 13 Feb 2014, charujing123 wrote: > > Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed > (recon-all.cmd). Please read the "NMR-MGH-Attachment-Warning.txt" > attachment(s) for more information. > > Hi Bruce, > Some output of recon-all can be got in the attachment. > Thanks Bruce. > Rujing Zha > > 2014-02-13 > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > charujing123 > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > 发件人："charujing123"<charujing123(a)163.com> > 发送时间：2014-02-13 21:48 > 主题：Re: [Freesurfer] recon-all CTABreadASCII error > 收件人："Bruce Fischl"<fischl(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > 抄送："freesurfer(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu"<freesurfer(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > Hi Bruce, > I ran this code succefully last year. But I cannot completely this command > in recent days as errors just above. There is nothing change in the server > during this time. According this ERROR information, I asked administrator to > delete some files in the /tmp folder and change the write access. But it was > still report similar error. And I ran this command as root, then it > terminated as a similar situation. > Thanks Bruce. > All the best. > Rujing Zha > > 2014-02-13 > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > charujing123 > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > 发件人：Bruce Fischl <fischl(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > 发送时间：2014-02-13 21:33 > 主题：Re: [Freesurfer] recon-all CTABreadASCII error > 收件人："charujing123"<charujing123(a)163.com> > 抄送："freesurfer(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu"<freesurfer(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > Hi Rujing > > do you have write access to /tmp? Or is it full maybe? > > Bruce > On Thu, 13 Feb 2014, > charujing123 wrote: > > > Dear FS experts, > > It represents this message in the command window after ran "recon-all > > -autorecon-pial -s CON_EIU01 -no-isrunning": > > Reading annotation reading colortable from annotation file... > > colortable with 36 entries read originally/autofs/space/terrier_001/users > /nicks/freesurfer/average/colortable_desikan > > _killiany.txt) > > CTABwriteFileASCII(/tmp/mri_segstats.tmp.CON_EIU04.lh.64.ctab): could not > > > open for writing > > > > Seg base 1000 Permission denied > > CTABreadASCII(/tmp/mri_segstats.tmp.CON_EIU04.lh.64.ctab): could not open > > > file > > No such file or directory > > ERROR: reading /tmp/mri_segstats.tmp.CON_EIU04.lh.64.ctab > > Linux centos2 2.6.18-308.20.1.el5xen #1 SMP Tue Nov 13 11:03:56 EST 2012 ?? ?> x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > > > recon-all -s CON_EIU04 exited with ERRORS at Thu Feb 13 14:01:12 CST 2014 > > > > > Thanks. > > All the best. > > Rujing Zha > > > > 2014-02-13 > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > ___ > > charujing123 > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it i > s > addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-ma > il > contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLi > ne at > http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in e > rror > but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and pro > perly > dispose of the e-mail. > >

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recon-all CTABreadASCII error
by charujing123 13 Feb '14

13 Feb '14

Dear FS experts, It represents this message in the command window after ran "recon-all -autorecon-pial -s CON_EIU01 -no-isrunning": Reading annotation reading colortable from annotation file... colortable with 36 entries read originally /autofs/space/terrier_001/users/nicks/freesurfer/average/colortable_desikan_killiany.txt) CTABwriteFileASCII(/tmp/mri_segstats.tmp.CON_EIU04.lh.64.ctab): could not open for writing Seg base 1000 Permission denied CTABreadASCII(/tmp/mri_segstats.tmp.CON_EIU04.lh.64.ctab): could not open file No such file or directory ERROR: reading /tmp/mri_segstats.tmp.CON_EIU04.lh.64.ctab Linux centos2 2.6.18-308.20.1.el5xen #1 SMP Tue Nov 13 11:03:56 EST 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux recon-all -s CON_EIU04 exited with ERRORS at Thu Feb 13 14:01:12 CST 2014 Thanks. All the best. Rujing Zha 2014-02-13 charujing123

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Re: [Freesurfer] recon-all CTABreadASCII error
by charujing123 13 Feb '14

13 Feb '14

Hi all, All the information can be got in the attachment. Thanks. All the best. Rujing Zha 2014-02-13 charujing123 发件人："charujing123"<charujing123(a)163.com> 发送时间：2014-02-13 13:53 主题：[Freesurfer] recon-all CTABreadASCII error 收件人："freesurfer(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu"<freesurfer(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> 抄送： Dear FS experts, It represents this message in the command window after ran "recon-all -autorecon-pial -s CON_EIU01 -no-isrunning": Reading annotation reading colortable from annotation file... colortable with 36 entries read originally /autofs/space/terrier_001/users/nicks/freesurfer/average/colortable_desikan_killiany.txt) CTABwriteFileASCII(/tmp/mri_segstats.tmp.CON_EIU04.lh.64.ctab): could not open for writing Seg base 1000 Permission denied CTABreadASCII(/tmp/mri_segstats.tmp.CON_EIU04.lh.64.ctab): could not open file No such file or directory ERROR: reading /tmp/mri_segstats.tmp.CON_EIU04.lh.64.ctab Linux centos2 2.6.18-308.20.1.el5xen #1 SMP Tue Nov 13 11:03:56 EST 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux recon-all -s CON_EIU04 exited with ERRORS at Thu Feb 13 14:01:12 CST 2014 Thanks. All the best. Rujing Zha 2014-02-13 charujing123

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Variability in bedpostx output
by jwaugh＠nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 13 Feb '14

13 Feb '14

Hello all, I have run bedpostx on a series of DTI scans over ~1 year, the earlier ones in stable 5.1 and later ones in 5.3. I'm seeing quite a lot of variability in intensity from the earlier to later versions - re-running bedpostx in 5.3 on an older scan and comparing with 5.1 yields up to 10% variation in intensity at any given voxel between versions. I've been comparing the mean_f1 images by subtracting the (new - old) using fslmaths. The differences are not isolaed to surfaces, but can also be deep in the white matter or parenchyma. Has anyone else seen this? Thanks, Jeff

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Tracula version and download problem
by Clive Wong 12 Feb '14

12 Feb '14

Hi, I just want to confirm, is that I can use the new trac-all with the data processed in the original FS5.3 trac-all? And, I just want to download the new trac-all, but I have problem to connect to the ftp server. I can login to the server, but it does not response to any command. Please advise. Best, Clive

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Fwd: Problems dipslaying annotations in freeview
by Laura Taylor 12 Feb '14

12 Feb '14

Hi Ruopeng and freesurfer folks, I am still having trouble loading annotations in freeview, similar to what I mentioned before. When I load 'rh.aparc.a2009s.annot' in freeview, the annotation loads onto the LEFT hemisphere and is tye-died in appearance. In contrast, 'lh.aparc.a2009s.annot' loads correctly onto the left hemisphere and looks normal. I have had this problem with many of my subjects. Can you help with this?? Thank you, Laura ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:53 AM Subject: Fwd: [Freesurfer] Problems dipslaying annotations in freeview To: rpwang(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Hi Ruopeng, I am forwarding the messages I sent to the freesurfer mailing list and that Doug suggested I ask you. Basically when I try and load an annotation in freeview, the rh loads properly (looks normal and is on the correct hemisphere), but the lh loads onto the rh and is tye-died in appearance. Can you help with this? Thanks, Laura ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Douglas N Greve <greve(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> Date: Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Problems dipslaying annotations in freeview Cc: freesurfer(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu oh, if the lh annot is being loaded onto the rh surface, then that will definitely create the tye-died appearance.* Maybe Ruopeng can weigh in on the freeview issue.* doug On 12/18/2013 04:53 PM, Laura wrote: > Hi Douglas, > > I would go to the annotation drop down menu in freeview, select > l/rh.aparc.a2009s.annot and then it would freeze. I can't seem to > reproduce that problem today, but for every subject that I load an > annotation for now, the rh annotation loads properly,* but the lh > annotation loads onto the right hemisphere and is tye-died in appearance.* > > Thanks, > > Laura > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Douglas N Greve < > greve(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> wrote: > > > So when you say you cannot load it, what do you mean? > doug > > > > > On 12/17/2013 02:55 PM, Laura Taylor wrote: > > Hi Douglas, > > I checked the status of each subject once recon-all was > completed (by looking in the terminal window before I closed > it). Each of my roughly 90 subects had the message > "/recon-all -s/ subjectID /finished without error/ at date and > time". > > > When I look at the recon-all.log file the same message is > there at the end. Is there somewhere else where i should look > for an error message?? > > Thank you, > Laura > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Douglas N Greve > <greve(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>> wrote: > > > For the subject that you were not able to load the annot, > did you > check the recon-all log file? Did recon-all complete properly? > doug > > > On 12/17/2013 01:35 PM, Laura wrote: > > Hi again, Douglas and freesurfer experts. > > Unfortunately my problem cannot be explained by having > made > manual edits and then not finishing recon-all. When I > load > subjects that I did not manually edit, I am either > unable to > load an annotation file (specifically > r/lh.aparc.a2009s.annot) > at all, or I can load it but have problems with the > output. > When I am able to load an image I get a the same tye-died > appearing surface for one hemisphere (and it is > projected onto > the opposite hemisphere that the label is for) or I get a > proper surface when I load the label for the other > hemisphere > (and it appears on the correct hemisphere). > > Can you help at all with this? > > Thank you, > > Laura > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Laura Taylor > >>>> wrote: > > Hi, yes thank you both. That is exactly what the > problem was. > > Laura > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Douglas N Greve > <greve(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>>> wrote: > > Yep, looks like your annot is out of sync with the > surfaces > > On 12/10/2013 01:51 PM, Chris Watson wrote: > > I've seen this happen after making manual > edits and > then not > finishing > > a re-run of recon-all. > > Chris > > > > On 12/10/2013 02:00 PM, Laura Taylor wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'm trying to load lh.aparc.a2009s.annot > onto the > lh pial > surface of > >> a subject. When I use the freeview gui and > select > >> lh.aparc.a2009s.annot under the annotations > menu a > strange > >> multicolored surface is loaded. It looks like > something > that has > >> been tie-dyed and not like the examples of > parcellation > that are > >> shown on some of the freesurfer pages. > >> > >> I have attached a screenshot of the output > that I get. > >> > >> Any help would be appreciated. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> > >> Laura > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Freesurfer mailing list > >> Freesurfer(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>> > > >> > https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/freesurfer > >> > >> > >> The information in this e-mail is intended > only for the > person to whom it is > >> addressed. If you believe this e-mail was > sent to > you in > error and the e-mail > >> contains patient information, please > contact the > Partners > Compliance HelpLine at > >> http://www.partners.org/complianceline . > If the > e-mail was > sent to you in error > >> but does not contain patient information, > please > contact > the sender and properly > >> dispose of the e-mail. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Freesurfer mailing list > > Freesurfer(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>> > > > > https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/freesurfer > > -- > Douglas N. Greve, Ph.D. > MGH-NMR Center > greve(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>> > Phone Number: 617-724-2358 <tel:617-724-2358> > <tel:617-724-2358 <tel:617-724-2358>> > <tel:617-724-2358 <tel:617-724-2358> <tel:617-724-2358 > <tel:617-724-2358>>> > Fax: 617-726-7422 <tel:617-726-7422> > <tel:617-726-7422 <tel:617-726-7422>> <tel:617-726-7422 > <tel:617-726-7422> > > <tel:617-726-7422 <tel:617-726-7422>>> > > > Bugs: > surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting > <http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting> > <http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting> > <http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/ > BugReporting> > FileDrop: > https://gate.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/filedrop2 > www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/facility/filedrop/index.html > <http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/facility/filedrop/index.html> > <http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard. > edu/facility/filedrop/index.html> > <http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard. > edu/facility/filedrop/index.html> > > Outgoing: > ftp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/transfer/outgoing/flat/greve/ > > _______________________________________________ > Freesurfer mailing list > Freesurfer(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>> > https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/freesurfer > > > > > -- Douglas N. Greve, Ph.D. > MGH-NMR Center > greve(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > Phone Number: 617-724-2358 <tel:617-724-2358> > <tel:617-724-2358 <tel:617-724-2358>> > Fax: 617-726-7422 <tel:617-726-7422> <tel:617-726-7422 > <tel:617-726-7422>> > > Bugs: surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting > <http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting> > <http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting> > FileDrop: https://gate.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/filedrop2 > www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/facility/filedrop/index.html > <http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/facility/filedrop/index.html> > <http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/facility/filedrop/index.html> > Outgoing: > ftp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/transfer/outgoing/flat/greve/ > > > > -- Douglas N. Greve, Ph.D. > MGH-NMR Center > greve(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > Phone Number: 617-724-2358 <tel:617-724-2358> > Fax: 617-726-7422 <tel:617-726-7422> > > Bugs: surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting > <http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting> > FileDrop: https://gate.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/filedrop2 > www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/facility/filedrop/index.html > <http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/facility/filedrop/index.html> > Outgoing: > ftp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/transfer/outgoing/flat/greve/ > > > -- Douglas N. Greve, Ph.D. MGH-NMR Center greve(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Phone Number: 617-724-2358 Fax: 617-726-7422 Bugs: surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting FileDrop: https://gate.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/filedrop2 www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/facility/filedrop/index.html Outgoing: ftp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/transfer/outgoing/flat/greve/

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Fwd: How to avoid tumour from being segmented out
by Melanie Morrison 12 Feb '14

12 Feb '14

Thanks, Melanie Morrison Begin forwarded message: > From: Bruce Fischl <fischl(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > Date: 12 February, 2014 1:21:56 PM EST > To: Melanie Morrison <melanie.morrison(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: [Freesurfer] How to avoid tumour from being segmented out > > Hi Melanie > > can you cc the list so that others can answer? > > thanks > Bruce > On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Melanie Morrison wrote: > >> Thanks. I can just do this manually? Can I over lay this on my anatomical >> map somehow so I can manually outline the correct boundaries. >> > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:51:14 -0500 >> > From: fischl(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu >> > To: melanie.morrison(a)hotmail.com >> > CC: freesurfer(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu; astevens(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu >> > Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] How to avoid tumour from being segmented out >> > >> > Hi Melanie >> > >> > you should be able to fill it in in the wm.mgz volume in either tkmedit >> > or freeview (using 255 if in freeview - tkmedit will do this by default) >> > >> > cheers >> > Bruce >> > On >> > Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Melanie Morrison wrote: >> > >> > > Hi there, >> > > >> > > I am creating surfaces from my volume T1-weight scans so that I can run >> them >> > > in AFNI's SUMA program. >> > > Problem is that my tumour has been segmented out because its intensity >> and >> > > the intensity of its surround area is much lower that what is being >> > > segmented. >> > > >> > > How can I avoid this? Or edit this? I need my functional MRI data to be >> > > displayed around the tumour region which is now unfortunately cut out. >> > > (HELPP!!!) >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Melanie Morrison >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Freesurfer mailing list >> > Freesurfer(a)nmr.mgh.harvard.edu >> > https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/freesurfer >> > >> > >> > The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it >> is >> > addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the >> e-mail >> > contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance >> HelpLine at >> > http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in >> error >> > but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and >> properly >> > dispose of the e-mail. >> > >>

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