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Hello Freesurfer developers,
I am interested in analyzing PET data following a longitudinal design. I have co-registered each PET image to the closest MRI in time processed through the longitudinal stream. I have sampled each co-registered PET image time-point onto fsaverage surface via the individual's subject surface (mri_vol2surf).
From this point:
1. Is it possible to obtain spc (symmetrized percent change) using long_mris_slopes for each subject?
2. Is there a way to input the sampled surfaces into a qdec file for long_mris_slopes command?
1) FreeSurfer version: freesurfer-linux-centos6_x86_64-7.2.0. 2) Platform: Ubuntu 18,04.6 LTS 3) uname -a: Linux ubuntu 5.4.0-122-generic-Ubuntu UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Thank you!
Jesus
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You may be able to use one of the paired diff options in mris_preproc. Run it with --help. I also put some info on it below. QDEC has been deprecated
--paired-diff
After concatenating all the inputs together, create a new output file by computing paired differences, ie, Input1-Input2, Input3-Input4, etc. There must be an even number of inputs. The inputs are "pruned" before taking the difference, meaning that values for all inputs are set to 0 if any individual is 0.
--paired-diff-norm
Same as --paired-diff, but normalizes by average of time points, ie, (Input1-Input2)/((Input1+Input2)/2).
--paired-diff-norm1
Same as --paired-diff, but normalizes by time point 1, ie, (Input1-Input2)/Input1.
--paired-diff-norm2
Same as --paired-diff, but normalizes by time point 2, ie, (Input1-Input2)/Input2.
On 9/20/2022 3:31 PM, Gomar, Jesus wrote:
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Hello Freesurfer developers,
I am interested in analyzing PET data following a longitudinal design.
I have co-registered each PET image to the closest MRI in time processed through the longitudinal stream.
I have sampled each co-registered PET image time-point onto fsaverage surface via the individual's subject surface (mri_vol2surf).
From this point:
1.Is it possible to obtain spc (symmetrized percent change) using long_mris_slopes for each subject?
2.Is there a way to input the sampled surfaces into a qdec file for long_mris_slopes command?
FreeSurfer version: freesurfer-linux-centos6_x86_64-7.2.0.
Platform: Ubuntu 18,04.6 LTS
uname -a: Linux ubuntu 5.4.0-122-generic-Ubuntu UTC 2022 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Thank you!
Jesus
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Thank you Doug, I will follow your suggestion.
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--paired-diff
After concatenating all the inputs together, create a new output file by computing paired differences, ie, Input1-Input2, Input3-Input4, etc. There must be an even number of inputs. The inputs are "pruned" before taking the difference, meaning that values for all inputs are set to 0 if any individual is 0.
--paired-diff-norm
Same as --paired-diff, but normalizes by average of time points, ie, (Input1-Input2)/((Input1+Input2)/2).
--paired-diff-norm1
Same as --paired-diff, but normalizes by time point 1, ie, (Input1-Input2)/Input1.
--paired-diff-norm2
Same as --paired-diff, but normalizes by time point 2, ie, (Input1-Input2)/Input2.
On 9/20/2022 3:31 PM, Gomar, Jesus wrote:
External Email - Use Caution Hello Freesurfer developers,
I am interested in analyzing PET data following a longitudinal design. I have co-registered each PET image to the closest MRI in time processed through the longitudinal stream. I have sampled each co-registered PET image time-point onto fsaverage surface via the individual's subject surface (mri_vol2surf). From this point:
1. Is it possible to obtain spc (symmetrized percent change) using long_mris_slopes for each subject?
2. Is there a way to input the sampled surfaces into a qdec file for long_mris_slopes command?
1) FreeSurfer version: freesurfer-linux-centos6_x86_64-7.2.0. 2) Platform: Ubuntu 18,04.6 LTS 3) uname -a: Linux ubuntu 5.4.0-122-generic-Ubuntu UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Thank you!
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On other thought: You may want to do Doug's suggestion of calculating the paired-diff in the longitudinal stream's subject-specific unbiased template space of each participant instead of doing it all in fsaverage. Then take the resultant file, the symmetrized percent change, or pc1, etc. from the subject-specific template space to fsaverage for your group statistics.
On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 12:39 PM Gomar, Jesus JGomar@northwell.edu wrote:
External Email - Use CautionThank you Doug, I will follow your suggestion.
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You may be able to use one of the paired diff options in mris_preproc. Run it with --help. I also put some info on it below. QDEC has been deprecated
--paired-diff
After concatenating all the inputs together, create a new output file by computing paired differences, ie, Input1-Input2, Input3-Input4, etc. There must be an even number of inputs. The inputs are "pruned" before taking the difference, meaning that values for all inputs are set to 0 if any individual is 0.
--paired-diff-norm
Same as --paired-diff, but normalizes by average of time points, ie, (Input1-Input2)/((Input1+Input2)/2).
--paired-diff-norm1
Same as --paired-diff, but normalizes by time point 1, ie, (Input1-Input2)/Input1.
--paired-diff-norm2
Same as --paired-diff, but normalizes by time point 2, ie, (Input1-Input2)/Input2.
On 9/20/2022 3:31 PM, Gomar, Jesus wrote:
External Email - Use Caution *Hello Freesurfer developers,
I am interested in analyzing PET data following a longitudinal design.
I have co-registered each PET image to the closest MRI in time processed through the longitudinal stream.
I have sampled each co-registered PET image time-point onto fsaverage surface via the individual's subject surface (mri_vol2surf).
From this point:
Is it possible to obtain spc (symmetrized percent change) usinglong_mris_slopes for each subject?
Is there a way to input the sampled surfaces into a qdec filefor long_mris_slopes command?
FreeSurfer version: freesurfer-linux-centos6_x86_64-7.2.0.
Platform: Ubuntu 18,04.6 LTS
uname -a: Linux ubuntu 5.4.0-122-generic-Ubuntu UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64
x86_64 GNU/Linux
Thank you!
Jesus
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That is what I´m planning to do. Actually since some subjects have more than 2 time-points I was thinking that calculating slopes rather than pair-diff may be a better option.
Can I use long_mris_slopes with --do-spc (etc…) in my mapped PET images to the longitudinal surfaces within each subject? Since qdec long table is required, I am unsure how to provide my surface-mapped PET images instead of default (i.e. thickness). Alternatively, do I need to run my own GLMs within subject to compute slopes of PET signal?
Much appreciated!
Jesus
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External Email - Use Caution On other thought: You may want to do Doug's suggestion of calculating the paired-diff in the longitudinal stream's subject-specific unbiased template space of each participant instead of doing it all in fsaverage. Then take the resultant file, the symmetrized percent change, or pc1, etc. from the subject-specific template space to fsaverage for your group statistics.
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External Email. Do not click links or open attachments unless you trust the sender and content. Report suspicious emails using Report Phishing button or forward email to phish@northwell.edumailto:phish@northwell.edu You may be able to use one of the paired diff options in mris_preproc. Run it with --help. I also put some info on it below. QDEC has been deprecated
--paired-diff
After concatenating all the inputs together, create a new output file by computing paired differences, ie, Input1-Input2, Input3-Input4, etc. There must be an even number of inputs. The inputs are "pruned" before taking the difference, meaning that values for all inputs are set to 0 if any individual is 0.
--paired-diff-norm
Same as --paired-diff, but normalizes by average of time points, ie, (Input1-Input2)/((Input1+Input2)/2).
--paired-diff-norm1
Same as --paired-diff, but normalizes by time point 1, ie, (Input1-Input2)/Input1.
--paired-diff-norm2
Same as --paired-diff, but normalizes by time point 2, ie, (Input1-Input2)/Input2.
On 9/20/2022 3:31 PM, Gomar, Jesus wrote:
External Email - Use Caution Hello Freesurfer developers,
I am interested in analyzing PET data following a longitudinal design. I have co-registered each PET image to the closest MRI in time processed through the longitudinal stream. I have sampled each co-registered PET image time-point onto fsaverage surface via the individual's subject surface (mri_vol2surf). From this point:
1. Is it possible to obtain spc (symmetrized percent change) using long_mris_slopes for each subject?
2. Is there a way to input the sampled surfaces into a qdec file for long_mris_slopes command?
1) FreeSurfer version: freesurfer-linux-centos6_x86_64-7.2.0. 2) Platform: Ubuntu 18,04.6 LTS 3) uname -a: Linux ubuntu 5.4.0-122-generic-Ubuntu UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Thank you!
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