You are probably interested in the power (ie, "can I detect an effect with this many trials scheduled in this way?"). It is not possible to answer this question without an effect size. Having said that, I generally feel comfortable when the VRF is 20-40. Note that this assumes an FIR (not assuming a shape to the hemodynamic response) and dPSD=TR. If you assume a shape, you will get much more power out of it (assuming your assumed shape is close to correct:).
On 7/16/19 9:51 AM, Tugce Duran wrote:
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Thank you, Dr. Greve! This was helpful.
When we look at the .sum file, what are the reference ranges for Eff and VRF avg?
I saw 20-40 for VRF on the help page but wasn’t fully sure.
Thanks!
Tugce
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*From:*Greve, Douglas N.,Ph.D. DGREVE@mgh.harvard.edu *Sent:* Monday, July 15, 2019 11:03 PM *To:* Tugce Duran tduran@wakehealth.edu; Freesurfer support list freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu *Subject:* Re: optseq2 parameters setup
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* External Email - Use Caution * Hi Dr. Greve, I am interested in designing the Face Name Associative Memory Exam (FNAME) fMRI task for our study. There are *80* face-name pairs that we will use and the duration can be between 3.5 and 4.75 secs. I have used the following command: *optseq2 --ntp 200 --tr 2 --psdwin 0 32 2 --ev facename 4 80 --nkeep 3 --o trial2 --tnullmin 0 --tnullmax 6 --nsearch 10000* Total scan time appx 6-7 mins. Q1: For NULL, why do we have only 2 sec and 4 sec jitters? Can we change the variety amount of the jitters? Are more jitters good or bad (instead of just having 2 secs and 4 secs, let’s say we get 0.25, 1, 2, 3 and 4 secs) ?It always makes the NULL durations a integer multiple of the dPSD. You set this to 2 (--psdwin 0 32 2). If you are assuming the shape to the hemodyamic response (eg, the canonical SPM HRF), then it won't matter much if you decrease it to 1 or less). The benefit of jitter in that case depends more on the psychology than the signal processing.
Q2: For the event design I am interested in above, what would be the “best” parameters used?Usually, you set the total time for the NULL to be equal to that of a stimulus type. In this case, you have one stimulus type presented for a total of 320 sec (4*80), so you could set the scan duration to be 320*2=640sec=10min 40sec. That would be optimum for testing your stimulus against baseline, but that is probably not what you are planning to do.
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