I'm not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?
On 6/11/2025 5:09 PM, kingwai.chu@gmail.com wrote:
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Hi Doug,
What about the argument of using eTIV^(2/3) makes the scaling dimensionless?
Best,
King-Wai
*From:*Douglas N. Greve dgreve@mgh.harvard.edu *Sent:* Wednesday, June 11, 2025 4:09 PM *To:* freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu *Subject:* [Freesurfer] Re: Query related to controlling for ICV in the models for surface area and thickness
Yes, it is recommended. The exact form it should take is in dispute, namely whether you should correct by the eTIV or the eTIV.^(2/3). The second is motivated by the idea of a sphere whose surface area grows with the 2/3 power of the volume. But cortex is not a sphere -- it is folded, so the area can grow faster than 2/3 power. I usually just scale by eTIV. When you run mris_preproc, you can add the --etiv option and it will do the scaling for you.
On 6/11/2025 4:05 AM, Muskan Khetan wrote:
* External Email - Use Caution * Dear Team members, I have a question regarding vertex-wise analysis using FreeSurfer. In my current analysis, I’m looking at the effects of an independent variable on cortical thickness and surface area across the brain. I understand that forROI-based surface area analyses, it is typically recommended to control for total brain volume (TBV) or intracranial volume (ICV), as surface area is correlated with these global brain size measures. However, I’m unsure whether this recommendation applies tovertex-wise analysesas well or whether anyunderlying preprocessing stepsin FreeSurfer account for brain size differences automatically. Could you please advise on whether TBV or ICV should be included as covariates in vertex-wise surface area models? And more broadly, under what circumstances is it advisable to control for global brain size in vertex-wise analysis? Any insights would be greatly appreciated. Best, Muskan _______________________________________________ Freesurfer mailing list --freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu To unsubscribe send an email tofreesurfer-leave@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman3/lists/freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/ <https://secure-web.cisco.com/1zgqCqj4qntd9bt8wznuUVVVTiFZuyVa-TmLzp-uKKBcf3vcewkEISxSWGva-Ts8eUaJjfAsOXr8ES8n7BAStvHTuIMdtKBdJObfTgS3jtu221BI11OALz_mndTqdO6sM2vKf_9BaQzGhVbpQF5C-yKz74ObFzkPbbS_tf35dZMQ-MAekHIDzeQFrwwG5m0TJGEcg1EtXXkzdclxYpgPTzX4mwjsRWsdkrT6doB6RZO44K4r06Hu310IHnWrfhIqHrcKXSMVC7zAI2rmLoODWf20HcjDOJtE4CZVLbU5g62PmeOv5LybvQb6XFx8qQKC8/https%3A%2F%2Fmail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu%2Fmailman3%2Flists%2Ffreesurfer%40nmr.mgh.harvard.edu%2F>