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What do the numbers in these columns mean? I cannot find an explanation in any of the documentation. normMean normStdDev normMin normMax normRange
Also, there are two rows labelled Supratentorial volume. Is one a typo?
Supratentorial volume 1304730 mm^3 Supratentorial volume 1228063 mm^3 Michael McLaughlin,
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What do the numbers in these columns mean? I cannot find an explanation in any of the documentation. normMean normStdDev normMin normMax normRange
Also, there are two rows labelled Supratentorial volume. Is one a typo?
Supratentorial volume 1304730 mm^3 Supratentorial volume 1228063 mm^3
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That solves the Supratentorial volume question, but it doesn't explain the normMean normStdDev normMin normMax normRange column headings
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Also, there are two rows labelled Supratentorial volume. Is one a typo?
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Does anyone know what the column headings: normMean normStdDev normMin normMax normRange are telling us?
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That solves the Supratentorial volume question, but it doesn't explain the normMean normStdDev normMin normMax normRange column headings
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Also, there are two rows labelled Supratentorial volume. Is one a typo?
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I believe these are describing the regional image values extracted from the bias corrected and normalised input image. They give the mean, standard deviation, minimum, maximum and range for each ROI.
The relevant image should be saved as $SUBJECT_DIR/subject_id/mri/norm.mgz.
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On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 3:23 PM Michael Mc Laughlin <michael@thecurate.commailto:michael@thecurate.com> wrote: That solves the Supratentorial volume question, but it doesn't explain the normMean normStdDev normMin normMax normRange column headings
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What do the numbers in these columns mean? I cannot find an explanation in any of the documentation. normMean normStdDev normMin normMax normRange
Also, there are two rows labelled Supratentorial volume. Is one a typo?
Supratentorial volume 1304730 mm^3 Supratentorial volume 1228063 mm^3
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Hi Henry,
When you say regional image values, do you mean image intensity values? That could be it.
I had expected they would refer to volume somehow, but that doesn't make sense because some larger regions have smaller means.
Volume_mm3 StructName normMean normStdDev normMin normMax normRange 63156.2 Left-Cerebellum-Cortex 59.8986 10.1165 9.0000 97.0000 88.0000 9637.1 Left-Thalamus 86.9616 8.9621 32.0000 113.0000 81.0000
Michael
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External Email - Use CautionI believe these are describing the regional image values extracted from the bias corrected and normalised input image. They give the mean, standard deviation, minimum, maximum and range for each ROI.
The relevant image should be saved as $SUBJECT_DIR/subject_id/mri/norm.mgz.
Hope this helps, Henry
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That solves the Supratentorial volume question, but it doesn't explain the normMean normStdDev normMin normMax normRange column headings
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Also, there are two rows labelled Supratentorial volume. Is one a typo?
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Yes, they are the intensity statistics of different structures in the norm.mgz volume
Cheers Bruce
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External Email - Use Caution Hi Henry,
When you say regional image values, do you mean image intensity values? That could be it.
I had expected they would refer to volume somehow, but that doesn't make sense because some larger regions have smaller means.
Volume_mm3 StructName normMean normStdDev normMin normMax normRange 63156.2 Left-Cerebellum-Cortex 59.8986 10.1165 9.0000 97.0000 88.0000 9637.1 Left-Thalamus 86.9616 8.9621 32.0000 113.0000 81.0000
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On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 10:36 AM Tregidgo, Henry <h.tregidgo@ucl.ac.ukmailto:h.tregidgo@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
External Email - Use Caution I believe these are describing the regional image values extracted from the bias corrected and normalised input image. They give the mean, standard deviation, minimum, maximum and range for each ROI.
The relevant image should be saved as $SUBJECT_DIR/subject_id/mri/norm.mgz.
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External Email - Use Caution Does anyone know what the column headings: normMean normStdDev normMin normMax normRange are telling us?
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 3:23 PM Michael Mc Laughlin <michael@thecurate.commailto:michael@thecurate.com> wrote: That solves the Supratentorial volume question, but it doesn't explain the normMean normStdDev normMin normMax normRange column headings
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External Email - Use Caution What do the numbers in these columns mean? I cannot find an explanation in any of the documentation. normMean normStdDev normMin normMax normRange
Also, there are two rows labelled Supratentorial volume. Is one a typo?
Supratentorial volume 1304730 mm^3 Supratentorial volume 1228063 mm^3
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