Hello everyone,
I just read the information about "paintig SPM results onto Freesurfer" ( http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/SpmPainting). It shows how to painting SPM results from statistic step (ex. spmT.img) to surface space. I tested the procedure and it worked. But I don't understand what is displayed on Freesurfer surface. Are all the significant differences from SPM statistic results are displayed on this surface? or some part of t values are displayed (which part)? As cortical thickness displayed on surface, each thickness value is painted on each vertex. But here t-value image from SPM is volume image, how to paint it on surface?
Someone could give a little detailed explaination??
Thanks in advance
Karry
Hi Karry
painting is done by mri_vol2surf and you can use it to specify how you want the sampling to be done. We typically sample the volume halfway our from the gray/white boundary, or sometimes a bit lower to avoid vascular artifacts at the pial surface. That said, it is quite flexible and you can use it to sample however you wish (e.g. average over the bottom third of cortex, etc....). When we sample we don't inspect the value, just grab it from the volume and assign it to the surface so if there are significant cluster that aren't intersected by the sampling band you specify they will not appear on the surface.
cheers Bruce
On Sun, 2 Sep 2012, keepmoon wrote:
Hello everyone, I just read the information about "paintig SPM results onto Freesurfer" (http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/SpmPainting).%C2%A0 It shows how to painting SPM results from statistic step (ex. spmT.img) to surface space. I tested the procedure and it worked. But I don't understand what is displayed on Freesurfer surface. Are all the significant differences from SPM statistic results are displayed on this surface? or some part of t values are displayed (which part)? As cortical thickness displayed on surface, each thickness value is painted on each vertex. But here t-value image from SPM is volume image, how to paint it on surface? Someone could give a little detailed explaination?? Thanks in advance Karry
Hi Bruce,
Thanks for your detailed explaination! I have one more question about it! Is it possible to get cluster size for being painted SPM results on freesure surface (like getting the cluster size of cortical thickness in QDEC )? Is there any command getting it?
Any idea will be appreciated! Thanks! Karry
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Fischl fischl@nmr.mgh.harvard.eduwrote:
Hi Karry
painting is done by mri_vol2surf and you can use it to specify how you want the sampling to be done. We typically sample the volume halfway our from the gray/white boundary, or sometimes a bit lower to avoid vascular artifacts at the pial surface. That said, it is quite flexible and you can use it to sample however you wish (e.g. average over the bottom third of cortex, etc....). When we sample we don't inspect the value, just grab it from the volume and assign it to the surface so if there are significant cluster that aren't intersected by the sampling band you specify they will not appear on the surface.
cheers Bruce
On Sun, 2 Sep 2012, keepmoon wrote:
Hello everyone,
I just read the information about "paintig SPM results onto Freesurfer" (http://surfer.nmr.mgh.**harvard.edu/fswiki/SpmPaintinghttp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/SpmPainting **). It shows how to painting SPM results from statistic step (ex. spmT.img) to surface space. I tested the procedure and it worked. But I don't understand what is displayed on Freesurfer surface. Are all the significant differences from SPM statistic results are displayed on this surface? or some part of t values are displayed (which part)? As cortical thickness displayed on surface, each thickness value is painted on each vertex. But here t-value image from SPM is volume image, how to paint it on surface?
Someone could give a little detailed explaination??
Thanks in advance
Karry
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you mean the size of the cluster on the surface? Yes, you can do that, but you'll need to wait for Doug's return for the details
cheers Bruce On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, keepmoon wrote:
Hi Bruce, Thanks for your detailed explaination! I have one more question about it! Is it possible to get cluster size for being painted SPM results on freesure surface (like getting the cluster size of cortical thickness in QDEC )? Is there any command getting it? Any idea will be appreciated! Thanks! Karry
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Fischl fischl@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote: Hi Karry
painting is done by mri_vol2surf and you can use it to specify how you want the sampling to be done. We typically sample the volume halfway our from the gray/white boundary, or sometimes a bit lower to avoid vascular artifacts at the pial surface. That said, it is quite flexible and you can use it to sample however you wish (e.g. average over the bottom third of cortex, etc....). When we sample we don't inspect the value, just grab it from the volume and assign it to the surface so if there are significant cluster that aren't intersected by the sampling band you specify they will not appear on the surface. cheers Bruce On Sun, 2 Sep 2012, keepmoon wrote: Hello everyone, I just read the information about "paintig SPM results onto Freesurfer" (http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/SpmPainting). It shows how to painting SPM results from statistic step (ex. spmT.img) to surface space. I tested the procedure and it worked. But I don't understand what is displayed on Freesurfer surface. Are all the significant differences from SPM statistic results are displayed on this surface? or some part of t values are displayed (which part)? As cortical thickness displayed on surface, each thickness value is painted on each vertex. But here t-value image from SPM is volume image, how to paint it on surface? Someone could give a little detailed explaination?? Thanks in advance KarryThe information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in error but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly dispose of the e-mail.
Hi Bruce,
Thanks for your answer! Yes. I would like to know the size of the cluster after painting on the surface.
Expecting Doug's reply!
Thanks in advance!
Karry
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Bruce Fischl fischl@nmr.mgh.harvard.eduwrote:
you mean the size of the cluster on the surface? Yes, you can do that, but you'll need to wait for Doug's return for the details
cheers Bruce
On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, keepmoon wrote:
Hi Bruce,
Thanks for your detailed explaination! I have one more question about it! Is it possible to get cluster size for being painted SPM results on freesure surface (like getting the cluster size of cortical thickness in QDEC )? Is there any command getting it?
Any idea will be appreciated! Thanks! Karry
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Fischl fischl@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote: Hi Karry
painting is done by mri_vol2surf and you can use it to specify how you want the sampling to be done. We typically sample the volume halfway our from the gray/white boundary, or sometimes a bit lower to avoid vascular artifacts at the pial surface. That said, it is quite flexible and you can use it to sample however you wish (e.g. average over the bottom third of cortex, etc....). When we sample we don't inspect the value, just grab it from the volume and assign it to the surface so if there are significant cluster that aren't intersected by the sampling band you specify they will not appear on the surface. cheers Bruce On Sun, 2 Sep 2012, keepmoon wrote: Hello everyone, I just read the information about "paintig SPM results onto Freesurfer" (http://surfer.nmr.mgh.**harvard.edu/fswiki/SpmPainting<http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/SpmPainting>**). It shows how to painting SPM results from statistic step (ex. spmT.img) to surface space. I tested the procedure and it worked. But I don't understand what is displayed on Freesurfer surface. Are all the significant differences from SPM statistic results are displayed on this surface? or some part of t values are displayed (which part)? As cortical thickness displayed on surface, each thickness value is painted on each vertex. But here t-value image from SPM is volume image, how to paint it on surface?
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Hi Doug,
As Bruce suggested, you may give me some help. My question is: I paint SPM results onto Freesurfer surface, is it possible to get the size and name of clusters on the surface?
Thanks
Karry
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:16 PM, keepmoon keepmoon1224@googlemail.comwrote:
Hi Bruce,
Thanks for your answer! Yes. I would like to know the size of the cluster after painting on the surface.
Expecting Doug's reply!
Thanks in advance!
Karry
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Bruce Fischl fischl@nmr.mgh.harvard.eduwrote:
you mean the size of the cluster on the surface? Yes, you can do that, but you'll need to wait for Doug's return for the details
cheers Bruce
On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, keepmoon wrote:
Hi Bruce,
Thanks for your detailed explaination! I have one more question about it! Is it possible to get cluster size for being painted SPM results on freesure surface (like getting the cluster size of cortical thickness in QDEC )? Is there any command getting it?
Any idea will be appreciated! Thanks! Karry
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Fischl <fischl@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
wrote: Hi Karry
painting is done by mri_vol2surf and you can use it to specify how you want the sampling to be done. We typically sample the volume halfway our from the gray/white boundary, or sometimes a bit lower to avoid vascular artifacts at the pial surface. That said, it is quite flexible and you can use it to sample however you wish (e.g. average over the bottom third of cortex, etc....). When we sample we don't inspect the value, just grab it from the volume and assign it to the surface so if there are significant cluster that aren't intersected by the sampling band you specify they will not appear on the surface. cheers Bruce On Sun, 2 Sep 2012, keepmoon wrote: Hello everyone, I just read the information about "paintig SPM results onto Freesurfer" (http://surfer.nmr.mgh.**harvard.edu/fswiki/SpmPainting<http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/SpmPainting>**). It shows how to painting SPM results from statistic step (ex. spmT.img) to surface space. I tested the procedure and it worked. But I don't understand what is displayed on Freesurfer surface. Are all the significant differences from SPM statistic results are displayed on this surface? or some part of t values are displayed (which part)? As cortical thickness displayed on surface, each thickness value is painted on each vertex. But here t-value image from SPM is volume image, how to paint it on surface?
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