Dear Freesurfer,
I am new to freesurfer and have a number of beginner's questions. After recon all the subjects and running the freesurferstats2tablehttp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/freesurferstats2table script, I am looking at the two files: aparc_area_lh.txt and aparc_meancurv_lh.txt. Everything goes by default.
My questions are,
1. In the aparc_area_lh.txt, is the surface area based on the pial surface, the white surface, or both? 2. In the aparc_meancurv_lh.txt, is it based on the Gaussian Curvature of the white surface or the pial surface?
I cannot find the relevant documentation in the freesurfer wiki. Any comments are highly appreciated!
Best Regards, Daniel -- Daniel Yang, PhD Postdoctoral Researcher Child Study Center Yale University 203-737-5454
Dear all,
After studying the freesurferstats2table script for a while, I think I figure out what these surfaces are. Below is my understanding. Please correct me if I am mistaken!
In the aparc_area_lh.txt, the surface area should be one based on the pial surface, not the white surface, because we are talking about cortical area.
In the aparc_meancurv_lh.txt, the mean curvature should be one based on the Gaussian Curvature of the white surface, not the pial surface, because it is how curvature is computed in freesurfer.
Thanks! Daniel -- Daniel Yang, PhD Postdoctoral Researcher Child Study Center Yale University 203-737-5454
From: <Yang>, Daniel Yang <yung-jui.yang@yale.edumailto:yung-jui.yang@yale.edu> Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:51 PM To: "freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edumailto:freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu" <freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edumailto:freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> Subject: questions about SurfArea and meancurv
Dear Freesurfer,
I am new to freesurfer and have a number of beginner's questions. After recon all the subjects and running the freesurferstats2tablehttp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/freesurferstats2table script, I am looking at the two files: aparc_area_lh.txt and aparc_meancurv_lh.txt. Everything goes by default.
My questions are,
1. In the aparc_area_lh.txt, is the surface area based on the pial surface, the white surface, or both? 2. In the aparc_meancurv_lh.txt, is it based on the Gaussian Curvature of the white surface or the pial surface?
I cannot find the relevant documentation in the freesurfer wiki. Any comments are highly appreciated!
Best Regards, Daniel -- Daniel Yang, PhD Postdoctoral Researcher Child Study Center Yale University 203-737-5454
Hi Daniel
sorry, I meant to respond to your previous post. We generate statistics for both the white and pial surfaces. For historical reasons the ones without specific surface name in them represent the white surface (i.e. the pial ones will all say "pial"). We can produce both Gaussian and Mean curvature measures, but in general the one we use most is the mean curvature as it is a more intuitive representation of geometry than the Gaussian one (and the Gaussian curvature is also a lot noisier, since it is the product of two curvature measures).
cheers Bruce
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Yang, Daniel wrote:
Dear all,
After studying the freesurferstats2table script for a while, I think I figure out what these surfaces are. Below is my understanding. Please correct me if I am mistaken!
In the aparc_area_lh.txt, the surface area should be one based on the pial surface, not the white surface, because we are talking about cortical area.
In the aparc_meancurv_lh.txt, the mean curvature should be one based on the Gaussian Curvature of the white surface, not the pial surface, because it is how curvature is computed in freesurfer.
Thanks! Daniel -- Daniel Yang, PhD Postdoctoral Researcher Child Study Center Yale University 203-737-5454
From: <Yang>, Daniel Yang yung-jui.yang@yale.edu Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:51 PM To: "freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu" freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Subject: questions about SurfArea and meancurv
Dear Freesurfer,
I am new to freesurfer and have a number of beginner's questions. After recon all the subjects and running the freesurferstats2table script, I am looking at the two files: aparc_area_lh.txt and aparc_meancurv_lh.txt. Everything goes by default.
My questions are,
- In the aparc_area_lh.txt, is the surface area based on the pial surface, the white surface, or both?
- In the aparc_meancurv_lh.txt, is it based on the Gaussian Curvature of the white surface or the pial
surface?
I cannot find the relevant documentation in the freesurfer wiki. Any comments are highly appreciated!
Best Regards, Daniel -- Daniel Yang, PhD Postdoctoral Researcher Child Study Center Yale University 203-737-5454
Hi Bruce,
Thanks for the correction!
So according to your email, the correct interpretation should be,
In the aparc_area_lh.txt, the surface area is one based on the white surface, not the pial surface, based on the historical naming.
In the aparc_meancurv_lh.txt, the mean curvature is one based on the Mean (not Gaussian) Curvature of the white surface, and not the pial surface.
That helps a lot! Much appreciated!
Best, Daniel
yes, that's right Bruce On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Yang, Daniel wrote:
Hi Bruce,
Thanks for the correction!
So according to your email, the correct interpretation should be,
In the aparc_area_lh.txt, the surface area is one based on the white surface, not the pial surface, based on the historical naming.
In the aparc_meancurv_lh.txt, the mean curvature is one based on the Mean (not Gaussian) Curvature of the white surface, and not the pial surface.
That helps a lot! Much appreciated!
Best, Daniel
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