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Ali Radaideh

4 Jun 2017 4 Jun '17

8:10 p.m.

Dear FS experts,

I am trying to analyse the cortical thickness for a group of MS patients and healthy controls. I have followed the instructions on how to perform group analysis but I am still unable to achieve what I am looking for.

I am trying to produce a significance map to show the cortical areas that are statistically different between MS and healthy controls (in terms of cortical thickness).

Would it be possible please to show you the matrix (fsgd) and contrasts files that I have used in my analysis?

Best regards and many thanks in advance,

Ali

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Douglas Greve

5 Jun 5 Jun

10:03 a.m.

what is your mri_glmfit command?

On 6/4/17 8:10 PM, Ali Radaideh wrote:

...

Dear FS experts,

I am trying to analyse the cortical thickness for a group of MS patients and healthy controls. I have followed the instructions on how to perform group analysis but I am still unable to achieve what I am looking for.

I am trying to produce a significance map to show the cortical areas that are statistically different between MS and healthy controls (in terms of cortical thickness).

Would it be possible please to show you the matrix (fsgd) and contrasts files that I have used in my analysis?

Best regards and many thanks in advance,

Ali

-- /Ali M. Al-Radaideh. PhD Head of Department of Medical Imaging Vice Dean of the Faculty of Allied Health Sciences The Hashemite University, Zarqa, Jordan W.phone +962 5 3903333 ext.5422, 5355, 5364 Email: ali.radaideh@hu.edu.jo mailto:ali.radaideh@hu.edu.jo / /webpage: http://staff.hu.edu.jo/Default.aspx?id=ABZUPDzYeqM=/

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Ali Radaideh

3:16 p.m.

Thanks alot.

Below are the commands I used in order:

mris_preproc --fsgd disease_Healthy_Age.fsgd --target fsaverage --hemi lh --meas thickness --out lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.00.mgh

mri_surf2surf --hemi lh --s fsaverage --sval lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.00.mgh --fwhm 10 --cortex --tval lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.10.mgh

mri_glmfit --y lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.10.mgh --fsgd disease_Healthy_Age.fsgd dods --C lh-MS_vs_Healthy.mtx --C lh-male_MS_vs_Healthy_Age.mtx --C lh-male_MS_vs_Healthy.mtx --C lh-female_MS_vs_Healthy_Age.mtx --C lh-female_MS_vs_Healthy.mtx --surf fsaverage lh --cortex --glmdir lh.disease_Healthy_Age.glmdir

mri_glmfit-sim --glmdir lh.disease_Healthy_Age.glmdir --cache 4 neg --cwp 0.05 --2spaces

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Douglas Greve greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:

...

what is your mri_glmfit command?

On 6/4/17 8:10 PM, Ali Radaideh wrote:

Dear FS experts,

I am trying to analyse the cortical thickness for a group of MS patients and healthy controls. I have followed the instructions on how to perform group analysis but I am still unable to achieve what I am looking for.

I am trying to produce a significance map to show the cortical areas that are statistically different between MS and healthy controls (in terms of cortical thickness).

Would it be possible please to show you the matrix (fsgd) and contrasts files that I have used in my analysis?

Best regards and many thanks in advance,

Ali

--

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Ali Radaideh

8 Jun 8 Jun

1:40 p.m.

Dear Douglas,

Can I check with you if you have received my reply below to your question??

Thanks, Ali

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:16 PM Ali Radaideh ali.radaideh@hu.edu.jo wrote:

...

Thanks alot.

Below are the commands I used in order:

mris_preproc --fsgd disease_Healthy_Age.fsgd --target fsaverage --hemi lh --meas thickness --out lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.00.mgh

mri_surf2surf --hemi lh --s fsaverage --sval lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.00.mgh --fwhm 10 --cortex --tval lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.10.mgh

mri_glmfit --y lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.10.mgh --fsgd disease_Healthy_Age.fsgd dods --C lh-MS_vs_Healthy.mtx --C lh-male_MS_vs_Healthy_Age.mtx --C lh-male_MS_vs_Healthy.mtx --C lh-female_MS_vs_Healthy_Age.mtx --C lh-female_MS_vs_Healthy.mtx --surf fsaverage lh --cortex --glmdir lh.disease_Healthy_Age.glmdir

mri_glmfit-sim --glmdir lh.disease_Healthy_Age.glmdir --cache 4 neg --cwp 0.05 --2spaces

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Douglas Greve greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:

...
what is your mri_glmfit command?

On 6/4/17 8:10 PM, Ali Radaideh wrote:

Dear FS experts,

I am trying to analyse the cortical thickness for a group of MS patients and healthy controls. I have followed the instructions on how to perform group analysis but I am still unable to achieve what I am looking for.

I am trying to produce a significance map to show the cortical areas that are statistically different between MS and healthy controls (in terms of cortical thickness).

Would it be possible please to show you the matrix (fsgd) and contrasts files that I have used in my analysis?

Best regards and many thanks in advance,

Ali

--

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Douglas Greve

9 Jun 9 Jun

9:45 a.m.

Hi Ali, the FSGD and contrast matrices look right as do your command lines. What is the problem?

On 6/8/17 1:40 PM, Ali Radaideh wrote:

...

Dear Douglas,

Can I check with you if you have received my reply below to your question??

Thanks, Ali

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:16 PM Ali Radaideh <ali.radaideh@hu.edu.jo mailto:ali.radaideh@hu.edu.jo> wrote:

Thanks alot.

Below are the commands I used in order:

mris_preproc --fsgd disease_Healthy_Age.fsgd --target fsaverage
--hemi lh --meas thickness --out
lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.00.mgh

mri_surf2surf --hemi lh --s fsaverage --sval
lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.00.mgh --fwhm 10 --cortex --tval
lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.10.mgh


mri_glmfit --y lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.10.mgh --fsgd
disease_Healthy_Age.fsgd dods --C lh-MS_vs_Healthy.mtx --C
lh-male_MS_vs_Healthy_Age.mtx --C lh-male_MS_vs_Healthy.mtx --C
lh-female_MS_vs_Healthy_Age.mtx --C lh-female_MS_vs_Healthy.mtx
--surf fsaverage lh --cortex --glmdir lh.disease_Healthy_Age.glmdir


mri_glmfit-sim --glmdir lh.disease_Healthy_Age.glmdir --cache 4
neg --cwp  0.05 --2spaces

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Douglas Greve
<greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> wrote:

    what is your mri_glmfit command?


    On 6/4/17 8:10 PM, Ali Radaideh wrote:

...

    Dear FS experts,

    I am trying to analyse the cortical thickness for a group of
    MS patients and healthy controls. I have followed the
    instructions on how to perform group analysis but I am still
    unable to achieve what I am looking for.

    I am trying to produce a significance map to show the
    cortical areas that are statistically different between MS
    and healthy controls (in terms of cortical thickness).

    Would it be possible please to show you the matrix (fsgd) and
    contrasts files that I have used in my analysis?

    Best regards and many thanks in advance,

    Ali

    -- 
    /Ali M. Al-Radaideh. PhD
    Head of Department of Medical Imaging
    Vice Dean of the Faculty of Allied Health Sciences
    The Hashemite University,
    Zarqa, Jordan
    W.phone +962 5 3903333 ext.5422, 5355, 5364
    Email: ali.radaideh@hu.edu.jo <mailto:ali.radaideh@hu.edu.jo>
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Ali Radaideh

11:54 a.m.

Hi Douglas,

Thanks alot for your email. the issue is that when I try ti view the sig.mgh using the following command:

freeview -f $SUBJECTS_DIR/fsaverage/surf/lh.inflated:overlay=lh.disease_Healthy_Age.glmdir/lh-MS_vs_Healthy/sig.mgh:overlay_threshold=2,5 -viewport 3d

I get the attached images (please, see attached).

What are the blue and red clusters in this case? Are these the cortical regions that are statistically different between healthy and patients? or they represent the significant correlation with other variables?

What is the difference between F and sig maps?

My aim is to find/show cortical areas that are statistically different between health and patients (in terms of cortical thickness).

Many thanks in advance, Ali

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Douglas Greve greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:

...

Hi Ali, the FSGD and contrast matrices look right as do your command lines. What is the problem?

On 6/8/17 1:40 PM, Ali Radaideh wrote:

Dear Douglas,

Can I check with you if you have received my reply below to your question??

Thanks, Ali

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:16 PM Ali Radaideh ali.radaideh@hu.edu.jo wrote:

...
Thanks alot.

Below are the commands I used in order:

mris_preproc --fsgd disease_Healthy_Age.fsgd --target fsaverage --hemi lh --meas thickness --out lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.00.mgh

mri_surf2surf --hemi lh --s fsaverage --sval lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.00.mgh --fwhm 10 --cortex --tval lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.10.mgh

mri_glmfit --y lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.10.mgh --fsgd disease_Healthy_Age.fsgd dods --C lh-MS_vs_Healthy.mtx --C lh-male_MS_vs_Healthy_Age.mtx --C lh-male_MS_vs_Healthy.mtx --C lh-female_MS_vs_Healthy_Age.mtx --C lh-female_MS_vs_Healthy.mtx --surf fsaverage lh --cortex --glmdir lh.disease_Healthy_Age.glmdir

mri_glmfit-sim --glmdir lh.disease_Healthy_Age.glmdir --cache 4 neg --cwp 0.05 --2spaces

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Douglas Greve greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:

...
what is your mri_glmfit command?

On 6/4/17 8:10 PM, Ali Radaideh wrote:

Dear FS experts,

I am trying to analyse the cortical thickness for a group of MS patients and healthy controls. I have followed the instructions on how to perform group analysis but I am still unable to achieve what I am looking for.

I am trying to produce a significance map to show the cortical areas that are statistically different between MS and healthy controls (in terms of cortical thickness).

Would it be possible please to show you the matrix (fsgd) and contrasts files that I have used in my analysis?

Best regards and many thanks in advance,

Ali

--

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Douglas N Greve

12:51 p.m.

I can't open that image (what is .odp?). The red/yellow is a positive contrast, blue/cyan is negative contrast. The contrast depends on your contrast matrix. Assuming that you have MS-Heal, the red/yellow is MS>Healthy. It is thresholded at an UNCORRECTED level of p<.01 (-log10(.01) = 2). F is the F ratio. sig is -log10(p)*sign of the contrast (two-tailed).

On 06/09/2017 11:54 AM, Ali Radaideh wrote:

...

Hi Douglas,

Thanks alot for your email. the issue is that when I try ti view the sig.mgh using the following command:

freeview -f $SUBJECTS_DIR/fsaverage/surf/lh.inflated:overlay=lh.disease_Healthy_Age.glmdir/lh-MS_vs_Healthy/sig.mgh:overlay_threshold=2,5 -viewport 3d

I get the attached images (please, see attached).

What is the difference between F and sig maps?

My aim is to find/show cortical areas that are statistically different between health and patients (in terms of cortical thickness).

Many thanks in advance, Ali

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Douglas Greve <greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> wrote:

Hi Ali, the FSGD and contrast matrices look right as do your
command lines. What is the problem?


On 6/8/17 1:40 PM, Ali Radaideh wrote:

...

Dear Douglas,

Can I check with you if you have received my reply below to your
question??

Thanks,
Ali


On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:16 PM Ali Radaideh
<ali.radaideh@hu.edu.jo <mailto:ali.radaideh@hu.edu.jo>> wrote:

    Thanks alot.

    Below are the commands I used in order:

    mris_preproc --fsgd disease_Healthy_Age.fsgd --target
    fsaverage --hemi lh --meas thickness --out
    lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.00.mgh

    mri_surf2surf --hemi lh --s fsaverage --sval
    lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.00.mgh --fwhm 10 --cortex
    --tval lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.10.mgh


    mri_glmfit --y lh.disease_Healthy_Age.thickness.10.mgh --fsgd
    disease_Healthy_Age.fsgd dods --C lh-MS_vs_Healthy.mtx --C
    lh-male_MS_vs_Healthy_Age.mtx --C lh-male_MS_vs_Healthy.mtx
    --C lh-female_MS_vs_Healthy_Age.mtx --C
    lh-female_MS_vs_Healthy.mtx --surf fsaverage lh --cortex
    --glmdir lh.disease_Healthy_Age.glmdir


    mri_glmfit-sim --glmdir lh.disease_Healthy_Age.glmdir --cache
    4 neg --cwp  0.05 --2spaces

    On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Douglas Greve
    <greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
    <mailto:greve@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> wrote:

        what is your mri_glmfit command?


        On 6/4/17 8:10 PM, Ali Radaideh wrote:

...

        Dear FS experts,

        I am trying to analyse the cortical thickness for a
        group of MS patients and healthy controls. I have
        followed the instructions on how to perform group
        analysis but I am still unable to achieve what I am
        looking for.

        I am trying to produce a significance map to show the
        cortical areas that are statistically different between
        MS and healthy controls (in terms of cortical thickness).

        Would it be possible please to show you the matrix
        (fsgd) and contrasts files that I have used in my analysis?

        Best regards and many thanks in advance,

        Ali

        -- 
        /Ali M. Al-Radaideh. PhD
        Head of Department of Medical Imaging
        Vice Dean of the Faculty of Allied Health Sciences
        The Hashemite University,
        Zarqa, Jordan
        W.phone +962 5 3903333 ext.5422, 5355, 5364
        Email: ali.radaideh@hu.edu.jo
        <mailto:ali.radaideh@hu.edu.jo>
        /
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        http://staff.hu.edu.jo/Default.aspx?id=ABZUPDzYeqM=
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