Dear FS experts
One of our reviewers would like to know whether the FDR procedures as implemented in FS on one hand and as implemented in SPM on the other hand are comparable.
In FS, I think FDR is based on the height threshold (FDRp) and it is outside of the random Gaussian field theory framework, isn't it?
For SPM, it has been shown that the FDR procedure based on height threshold (FDRp) is not appropriate in the random Gaussian field theory framework (Chumbley et al., 2010; Chumbley and Friston, 2009, both published in NeuroImage). Therefore, in SPM8 FDRc (based on the cluster volume) was implemented and should be preferred over FDRp, isn't it?
Therefore, we conclude that it is not possible to use a comparable parametric multiple comparisons correction procedure in FS and SPM.
Do the nonparametric procedures (SnPM for SPM and Monte Carlo simulations in FS) are comparable?
Or is it impossible to get any comparable procedure due to the fact that a voxel is in 3D (as in SPM), whereas a vertex is on a 2D manifold (as in FS)?
Thanks in advance Regards Jürgen Hänggi
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Hi Jürgen,
2010/5/27 Jürgen Hänggi j.haenggi@psychologie.uzh.ch:
For SPM, it has been shown that the FDR procedure based on height threshold (FDRp) is not appropriate in the random Gaussian field theory framework (Chumbley et al., 2010; Chumbley and Friston, 2009, both published in NeuroImage).
Sorry could you elaborate on this a little bit? I believe this was not the conclusion of the Chumbley et al., 2010 paper... Maybe I'm getting something wrong. Please explain.
Therefore, in SPM8 FDRc (based on the cluster volume) was implemented and should be preferred over FDRp, isn't it?
SPM8 implements topological FDR over peaks - spm_uc_peakFDR.m and spm_P_peakFDR.m .
Best regards, Chris
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